Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Moomin]

Not to worry people.

Muse are playing an absolutely blinding set at Glasto currently.

Sigur Ros on the other stage are well better though.

 

[Blueblooded]

Because as the post above says, nothing has really changed. All that has changed is fluctuations on currency due to greedy gamblers. How do you know it's worse for the future? Did you expect the EU campaign of ever further integration to magically stop? Did you expect staying in a zone with a basket case currency to be risk free?

There were simply no certainties either way. Nothing has changed yet. Hysteria is bizarre.

I was going to post a facetious FB entry earlier along the lines of 'just walked into town and the immigrants were still there FFS!' so please don't imply that I expected anything to change immediately. I know the currencies/markets will recover somewhat but I'm concerned for the long term future of this country because we have handed the initiative to a bunch of right-wing chancers who don't give a flying feck about anyone but themselves. They aren't going to reinvest in the NHS, control immigration, support workers' rights, regulate the housing market, put a stop to tax evasion or promote equal opportunities in education. Most of these things have SOD ALL to do with the EU. What they will do is give the far right f**kwits a platform to spread their paranoia, hate and xenophobia.
Whoopee-do!

 

[ToffeeTim]

Aye, it was a monumental cockup by the Remain party. Their lies and half-truths alone will have been a key driver for many Leave voters.

All Remain had to do was say 'look, the EU is far from perfect. It might not be so bad if we leave, but it might be really bad. But we simply don't know. So let's not risk it, eh. If you vote Remain, I'll make it my mission to find out what it is that you feel isn't working, and try and fix it'.

Guaranteed that that would've swayed tons of reluctant Leave voters who felt a Remain vote was a vote of confidence for the EU in its current form.

They didn't offer this because the EU is unreformable and has no intention of stopping its continuing push for further political integration. Just look at Juncker. What a pretentious arrogant man.

 

[Durham Toffee]

I know a lot of people who voted for both sides and I could appreciate, understand and empathise with their opinions as to why.

Not once was immigration ever an issue. That is assuredly a poor motivation to vote, but I believe that this is a rebellion against politics that is fundamentally decided, discussed and executed with little thought of the consequences past Watford. It has little to actually do with the EU - wrongly or rightly.

However, I believe that we must maintain a left leaning, open and embracing outlook as a populace and it would be tragedy if we became insular and selfish. We should be an example on a global scale.

I just hope, whatever the future holds, we all demonstrate decorum, cooperation and respect in our decisions and settle on issues that will ensure justice, equality and fairness for all aspects of our wonderful society...

 

[ToffeeTim]

I was going to post a facetious FB entry earlier along the lines of 'just walked into town and the immigrants were still there FFS!' so please don't imply that I expected anything to change immediately. I know the currencies/markets will recover somewhat but I'm concerned for the long term future of this country because we have handed the initiative to a bunch of right-wing chancers who don't give a flying feck about anyone but themselves. They aren't going to reinvest in the NHS, control immigration, support workers' rights, regulate the housing market, put a stop to tax evasion or promote equal opportunities in education. Most of these things have SOD ALL to do with the EU. What they will do is give the far right f**kwits a platform to spread their paranoia, hate and xenophobia.
Whoopee-do!

Immigration didn't even feature on my reasons for an out vote to be honest. Not denying it did for some, as it clearly did.

But personally it's absolutely irrelvant to me and I'd suggest that's the same for the majority of leave voters.

 

[The Cowboy]

They didn't offer this because the EU is unreformable and has no intention of stopping his continuing push for further political integration. Just look a Juncker. What a pretentious arrogant man.

From a perspective of winning votes, even if it was a blatant lie and no subsequent changes came about, it would still have win over many reluctant Leavers.

 

[edge]

Two wrongs don't make a right mate, you can't make big claims like Farage has and then expect not to be called out when it turns out he was talking utter nonsense when we leave.

Dont like him or many others to be honest , and it played no part in my vote so maybe I am not the right one to judge him or people's view of him on this issue.

 

[The Cowboy]

Immigration didn't even feature on my reasons for an out vote to be honest. Not denying it did for some, as it clearly did.

But personally it's absolutely irrelvant to me and I'd suggest that's the same for the majority of leave voters.

Not irrelevant, but certainly not a primary driver in my decision making process either.

 

[Seanjd]

I know a lot of people who voted for both sides and I could appreciate, understand and empathise with their opinions as to why.

Not once was immigration ever an issue. That is assuredly a poor motivation to vote, but I believe that this is a rebellion against politics that is fundamentally decided, discussed and executed with little thought of the consequences past Watford. It has little to actually do with the EU - wrongly or rightly.

However, I believe that we must maintain a left leaning, open and embracing outlook as a populace and it would be tragedy if we became insular and selfish. We should be an example on a global scale.

I just hope, whatever the future holds, we all demonstrate decorum, cooperation and respect in our decisions and settle on issues that will ensure justice, equality and fairness for all aspects of our wonderful society...

Loads of nice buzz words, but the reality is that Boris Johnson will be our next Prime Minister. Good look demonstrating decorum and respect then.

 

[tsubaki]

What does that even mean? That this is an absolute blind leap into the dark? We need to know what the benefits are, because I don't.

i) avoiding the disaster that will be TTIP
ii) stabilizing the EU in the long term - we were never going to go into the Euro and further political integration was unlikely, so removing a country that would have blocked anything along those lines will help them if they want to integrate more sensibly (which they will have to if they want to survive). Having a stable and better run EU helps us as well.
iii) it forces our Government to be honest and to tackle our problems. Take the NHS for instance, where they have been able to get away with not training sufficient doctors or anywhere near sufficient nurses for years, but will now have to at least look at the problem because importing them wholesale from the poor nations of the EU is not going to be as easy an option any more. This will (or at least should) translate into better support for those going into those fields, rather than further cuts to what support exists now (which is what they were doing up until last week).

 

[ToffeeTim]

Not irrelevant, but certainly not a primary driver in my decision making process either.

It pissed me off hearing people here in Northern Ireland using immigration as a key motive though. The only immigration we have here is the farmers heading into town on a Saturday night lol

Absolutely bizarre rationale.

 

[bring the ghost on]

Immigration didn't even feature on my reasons for an out vote to be honest. Not denying it did for some, as it clearly did.

But personally it's absolutely irrelvant to me and I'd suggest that's the same for the majority of leave voters.

In one of the most recent pre-referendum polls, people were asked to name their greatest concern in determining their votes - 15% listed the British economy as their greatest concern, while 43% were most concerned about the impact membership of the EU has on immigration.

That is almost three times as many people concerned about immigration than the economy - normally the most salient issue in any election.

I don't buy that immigration is irrelevant to the majority of leave voters (not questioning your motives).

 

[Seanjd]

Immigration didn't even feature on my reasons for an out vote to be honest. Not denying it did for some, as it clearly did.

But personally it's absolutely irrelvant to me and I'd suggest that's the same for the majority of leave voters.

Not irrelevant, but certainly not a primary driver in my decision making process either.

I put a couple of questions before in this thread which I'm keen to ask again;

Did you consider the wider political implications, ie, career progressions of Johnson/Farage and a potential shift to the right, when you voted?

 

[The Cowboy]

I put a couple of questions before in this thread which I'm keen to ask again;

Did you consider the wider political implications, ir, career progressions of Johnson/Farage and a potential shift to the right, when you voted?

No.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I put a couple of questions before in this thread which I'm keen to ask again;

Did you consider the wider political implications, ir, career progressions of Johnson/Farage and a potential shift to the right, when you voted?

To be honest I'm dismayed by the career politicking but it was so blatant on both sides that I tried to ignore it and make as informed and honest a decision as I could.

Johnson clearly not a natural outer but chose to be for ambition. But then Corbyn is clearly a leave supporter but completely U-turned for his career. So to be honest I don't have much time for any of them. Only Farage the tit of all people can claim any credibility in this regard. Not good for politics.