Current Affairs EU In or Out

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  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Love him or hate him but without Nigel Farage there wouldn't be a referendum. And now in within 24 hours we have left the EU had the prime minister resign and the leader of the opposition facing a vote of no confidence. So as you can see one man can make a difference.
 
Love him or hate him but without Nigel Farage there wouldn't be a referendum. And now in within 24 hours we have left the EU had the prime minister resign and the leader of the opposition facing a vote of no confidence. So as you can see one man can make a difference.

He's one of the worst men in British history.
 
Haven't we been like that for a long time...?

Haven't successive leaders had to take on the chin what the EU has dictated to us...?

The leave vote, in its simplest terms, is saying that we no longer wanted to be dictated to by the EU, on a host of issues...

Yes that is exactly what the leave vote means.
It also has an awful lot of negative political and economic consequences that come with it.
 
I know it will be difficult to read all the connected posts resulting in reaching the one upon which I commented (because they are interspersed across several pages), but if you do, you will see exactly why I used that word.

In other words, if he's going to dish it, then he must accept that he must take it in return. Nothing more complicated than that.

I've been following, and I don't sense bile and I wouldn't suggest another poster to grow up.

Working class labour areas voted leave. Why? I think a few reason, but they were voting, not all but mostly, against immigration.

For a number of years, demonised, marginalised working class people have been told that the root of their problems lies with immigrants. Immigrants are nicking their jobs, their houses, their prospects. It's read in the newspapers. It's put on billboards, it's claimed by politicians.

It was never going to be easy for working class people to get on board voting with Cameron, who not so long ago, was also decrying immigration and its negative effects, saying we need to get tough. The Labour Party got on board eventually, reluctantly.

And so, after years of being demonised, after years of budget cuts, austerity and lack of opportunity due to the ideological policies of this government, the people are given a chance to vote.

Keeping in mind that immigration has often been used as a scape goat bynpoliticans for he problems of the working classes, they are asked to vote on whether Britain should stay in the EU.

During the campaign, the news is FULL of the likes of Farage and Johnson unleashing posters of mass immigration, using unsavoury langauge like 'breaking point', talking about taking back control of our borders.

The leave campaign was fought on the grounds of immigration.

And so it comes to vote, and swathes of working class communities have the chance not only to vote against David Cameron, but also to vote against what many of them conceive to be the root of their problems: immigration.
 
Immigration was important but that has been sold as the problem. Lack of wealth distribution is the problem. Since the late seventies we have closed industry in the north and replaced it with growth of the south. Both parties are guilty as well as the finance industry for the crash. The eu is good at wealth distribution but this vote is for change by people who need some hope. The parties here need to sort themselves out. We are one nation and everybody needs a chance. There will be no difference until this happens. Corbyn needs to go and a credible voice of the left is required.

I agree. And a fine example of moving industry from Liverpool southwards was the closure of Tate & Lyle on the dock road, and ICI from Aintree, to new plants in the south of England during the Thatcher years...
 
Love him or hate him but without Nigel Farage there wouldn't be a referendum. And now in within 24 hours we have left the EU had the prime minister resign and the leader of the opposition facing a vote of no confidence. So as you can see one man can make a difference.

Don't kid yourself into thinking this is down to Farage. I have no doubt he's fought hard to get to this point, but it's not because of him that it's happened.
 
Not at all. How many of the 'Leave' voters have you spoken to, to arrive at the conclusion you did arrive at?

'He who asserts must prove', as the legal tenet goes. And you have proved absolutely nothing to back up your assertion.

I'm gobsmacked at your naivety and your refusal to accept that immigration was a key factor.

The Ipsos Morey surveys prior to the referendum found after just two weeks into the campaign immigration had replaced the economy as the single most important factor driving the leave vote. This was confirmed by other surveys. Do you still need more proof?

How about the relentless campaigning based around immigration - fear factor posters, australian 'points system', regaining the borders, countless interviews on the issue.

You accuse others of being out of their depth whilst missing the blindly obvious truth that immigration was central the debate - arguably the single most important issue.
 
Sure, this was written by someone outside of the whole charade but facts are facts, opinions are opinions.

http://usuncut.com/world/viral-post-captures-youth-mood-on-brexit-vote/

The United Kingdom’s slim decision to vote for Brexit and leave the EU has left its younger citizens worried about their economic future.

Young Britons strongly preferred to remain in the European Union, with pollsters reporting that 75 percent of voters aged 18-24 voted for Remain. Daily Telegraph reporter Ben Riley-Smith tweeted the age breakdown of the Remain voters, showing that older voters strongly preferred to secede while millennials strongly favored staying. The Intercept’s Murtaza Hussain tweeted that the Brexit vote showed that the “older generation voted for a future the younger don’t want.”


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HOW AGES VOTED
(YouGov poll)
18-24: 75% Remain
25-49: 56% Remain
50-64: 44% Remain
65+: 39% Remain#EUref

11:24 PM - 23 Jun 2016




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Age breakdown on Brexit polls tells underlying story. Older generation voted for a future the younger don't want:

5:20 AM - 24 Jun 2016




Twitter user @AD7863 captured a comment from a young “Remain” voter, written at the end of a Financial Times article that perfectly described not only the opportunities that had been deprived from younger generations as a result of Brexit, but the ominous harbinger of things to come in a new Britain ruled by nationalists favouring Brexit. As of this writing, the tweet has over 25,000 re-tweets.

A quick note on the first three tragedies. Firstly, it was the working classes who voted for us to leave because they were economically disregarded, and it is they who will suffer the most in the short term. They have merely swapped one distant and unreachable elite for another.

Secondly, the younger generation has lost the right to live and work in 27 other countries. We will never know the full extent of the lost opportunities, friendships, marriages and experiences we will be denied. Freedom of movement was taken away by our parents, uncles, and grandparents in a parting blow to a generation that was already drowning in the debts of our predecessors.

Thirdly and perhaps most significantly, we now live in a post-factual democracy. When the facts met the myths they were as useless as bullets bouncing off the bodies of aliens in a HG Wells novel. When Michael Gove said, ‘The British people are sick of experts,’ he was right. But can anybody tell me the last time a prevailing culture of anti-intellectualism has led to anything other than bigotry?

As it turns out, many of the older Britons who voted for Brexit may have done so on false pretences. Earlier on Friday, it was that UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage, who claimed that the UK would have £350 million pounds more each week to spend on the National Health Services, admitted that the oft-repeated campaign promise was a lie.

Food for thought.
 
I've been following, and I don't sense bile and I wouldn't suggest another poster to grow up.

Working class labour areas voted leave. Why? I think a few reason, but they were voting, not all but mostly, against immigration.

For a number of years, demonised, marginalised working class people have been told that the root of their problems lies with immigrants. Immigrants are nicking their jobs, their houses, their prospects. It's read in the newspapers. It's put on billboards, it's claimed by politicians.

It was never going to be easy for working class people to get on board voting with Cameron, who not so long ago, was also decrying immigration and its negative effects, saying we need to get tough. The Labour Party got on board eventually, reluctantly.

And so, after years of being demonised, after years of budget cuts, austerity and lack of opportunity due to the ideological policies of this government, the people are given a chance to vote.

Keeping in mind that immigration has often been used as a scape goat bynpoliticans for he problems of the working classes, they are asked to vote on whether Britain should stay in the EU.

During the campaign, the news is FULL of the likes of Farage and Johnson unleashing posters of mass immigration, using unsavoury langauge like 'breaking point', talking about taking back control of our borders.

The leave campaign was fought on the grounds of immigration.

And so it comes to vote, and swathes of working class communities have the chance not only to vote against David Cameron, but also to vote against what many of them conceive to be the root of their problems: immigration.


I appreciate you laying it out like you have done above, and I can see where you are coming from.

However the matter of voting to leave the EU is far greater than just immigration. In a nutshell, there were also the issues of the UK being able to determine its own laws, and not being dictated to over that matter. And the judgements given in our courts being overturned by Brussels. Both not acceptable. We were continually being told what to do. Why did VAT rise to 20%, when it was far lower? Because the EU said we HAD to fall in line with the rate in other EU countries, that's why. Do I agree with that? Do YOU agree with that? Look deeper than immigration, and you will see other reasons why people voted to leave.
 
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