Current Affairs EU In or Out

[hullefc]

Oh good, will they throw us out of that as well........

Oh no Pete, the UK will have to stay under the jurisdiction of the ECHR.

 

[peteblue]

They definitely shot down your idea about how the border might work.
So what next Pete?

I’ll think of something......

 

[peteblue]

Oh no Pete, the UK will have to stay under the jurisdiction of the ECHR.

Unless we chose not to of course......

 

[SteveSC]

They definitely shot down your idea about how the border might work.
So what next Pete?

Give him time and he will excuse you of being a hatefilled person or accuse you of something.

The EU hate Britain and i guess i do too haha!!

He likes to demean and throw accusations out there of late and seemingly make history up.

 

[hullefc]

Unless we chose not to of course......

Northern Ireland doesn't have a choice, it stays under the jurisdiction of the ECHR as stipulated in the Good Friday Agreement. The UK will have to have the same as Northern Ireland as indicated by the DUP, Johnson, Davis et al, otherwise they will scupper any deal on trade.

 

[peteblue]

Give him time and he will excuse you of being a hatefilled person or accuse you of something.

The EU hate Britain and i guess i do too haha!!

He likes to demean and throw accusations out there of late and seemingly make history up.

Wow, I’ve always found @Ruairi77 to be quite a decent, well read, and intelligent poster.......

 

[peteblue]

Northern Ireland doesn't have a choice, it stays under the jurisdiction of the ECHR as stipulated in the Good Friday Agreement. The UK will have to have the same as Northern Ireland as indicated by the DUP, Johnson, Davis et al, otherwise they will scupper any deal on trade.

Does that mean that the ECHR can never be abolished, even if everyone in the world wanted it removed including the ECHR itself, because it’s in the GFA.......

 

[Joey66]

I'll gladly admit defeat in this battle of wits Joe. I really had nowhere else I could go.

Googlised Bruce, too much Googlebox for youlol

 

[SteveSC]

Wow, I’ve always found @Ruairi77 to be quite a decent, well read, and intelligent poster.......

Sarcasm Pete sarcasm.

Butin saying that you did make an accusation about me nonetheless.

 

[Joey66]

Again. How can we be OUT with an open border in existence?

Are there airports, sea ports over the two provinces in Ireland that's where the work visas come in and the trucks can be taggged electronically!

 

[Joey66]

The Good Friday Agreement stipulates that any Irish citizens, which includes those with Irish passports living in the north are allowed to reside anywhere on the island of Ireland. In other words, there cannot be any checks on peoples' movements, therefore there cannot be a border that checks the movement of people on the island of Ireland. As the Good Friday Agreement is an international treaty signed by two sovereign governments and lodged with the UN, it can't be amended, repealed or torn up. The government spokesperson was forced to admit this in parliament yesterday.

The Northern Ireland Act 1989 is different and is now the focus for amending as it stipulates that the Stormont assembly can only pass laws that are compatible with EU law. If not then it goes to the ECJ for a ruling. The Tories will have to try and amended this. However, the GFA and the Northern Ireland Act were signed in conjunction with changes in the Irish constitution. The UK government repealing the Northern Ireland Act will mean the Irish government can alter their constitution back to claiming the north as part of Ireland.

Any changes to any of the 2 signed agreements by a UK government, will mean there will be a push for a border vote on the status of the north of the island of Ireland.

If the north is unified with the south, then the UK government can then give the NHS the £350 million that Northern Ireland gets every week.

They still can what's that got to do with the EU?
Under a work visa or passport UK system it's folly to suggest anything else!
If you were to leave the island the airports, and sea ports would have you listed asa U.K. Resident!

 

[abelard]

Yea, they want a single UK out of the EU with a hard border.
They are the reason your 'free movement between the RoI and NI but not NI and GB' plan won't work.
What next Pete?

I’ll think of something......

Tory minister material, that ; )

 

[peteblue]

Tory minister material, that ; )

No need for that sort of abusive language.......

 

[hullefc]

Are there airports, sea ports over the two provinces in Ireland that's where the work visas come in and the trucks can be taggged electronically!

Can't happen in the republic as it is against freedom of movement. Can happen in Belfast and in the north's ports, where EU citizens can be checked before they may want to go to the mainland. But the DUP are against this.

 

[hullefc]

They still can what's that got to do with the EU?
Under a work visa or passport UK system it's folly to suggest anything else!
If you were to leave the island the airports, and sea ports would have you listed asa U.K. Resident!

UK work visas for EU citizens have no relevance on the island of Ireland.

If an Irish citizen leaves the island of Ireland and goes to the UK mainland they will be resident in the UK. Those with Irish passports resident in the north of the island of Ireland are classed as Irish citizens and therefore EU citizens. As EU citizens they have EU rights. And as it stands at the moment, in the Northern Ireland Act 1989, the Stormont assembly can only pass legislation that is in line with EU law. If not it is referred to the European Court of Justice.