Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[SteveSC]

I'm kind of baffled that you don't think "you're lashing out at everyone!" and "you clearly don't care what anyone thinks so I'm done with you, bye!!" isn't pejorative, but maybe we're far apart on what normal discourse is, in addition to politics.

Disapproving of someones point or making a note on something they typed or said isn't showing disrespect nor is it attacking them it is an observation and a opinion but not an attack.

I'm sorry if you are hurt by my comments or you feel "attacked" in anyway. But i guess that's your opinion.

You made a point about healthcare being universal i told you it never was and you didn't understand it obviously. You came back asking me about the deaths part. I told you i never once referred to that and you took what you want to from my comment.

You made a claim about people should be able to get healthcare easy in this country even without the ACA and i told you that's not true in fact its the complete opposite . You came back with the same rhetoric before only this time you elaborated about your leanings which i never asked you about.

I made a point that you have contradicted yourself which is true. You said you liked Trump when you first started posting last week or this week which then became you didn't like him Which is it?

You have called me dishonest, disrespectful and eluded to my intelligence.

You then claim you have been kind to all which clearly isn't true but ok whatever man.

Look we will never agree and i am sure you are a top bloke and but clearly i said i was not going to reply again to you earlier because i felt it ran its course. You then got personal not me. So have a good one and bother someone else.

 

[ilikecheese]

1) People weren't dying on the streets before ACA and people aren't saving their retirements from medical spending now (due to the ACA). We do provide universal healthcare, in large part. There is really no excuse for an individual not to find access to care in America. Inefficient? Sure. But you're touting a government run plan in lieu of that? I would just for once like to hear a proponent go "yeah, I acknowledge that pretty much every other USG-run establishment is incredibly bloated and ends up performing worse than the private sector, but here are the ways I propose not having that happen with healthcare." Never happens.

So much wrong with this.

2) I don't see it as a contradiction and I expect you know why. I don't see termination of another life as something within the purview of individual liberty. But in truth it doesn't matter because I'm not over here advocating for abortion bans, although I understand and sympathize with those who do. But I would put the same to you - if you're pro-choice on a liberty basis, why does that liberty stop when it comes to economics, healthcare, etc.?

So I am to infer from this that you believe life begins at conception. The legal ramifications to this are staggering. Let's say a pregnant mother gets into an at fault car accident and the unborn fetus is the victim. Should she then be charged with involuntary manslaughter? I mean if abortion is premeditated murder as you are defining it I am sure you can see all kinds of legal scenarios that defining the moment of conception as life could create.

3) Again, I think you're being willfully obtuse here. Lefty journalists literally freaked the hell out this week when a doctor didn't say Trump was unfit. I think Fox News is nuts, or at least portions of Fox News (Hannity, the morning show, etc.). But Joy Reid this week claimed that conservatives are ok with nuclear war because it will hurt inner cities. She later, quietly, retracted that. The New York Times ed board blamed the Orlando shooting on conservative vitriol. The same ed board claimed the day after a crazy leftist tried to assassinate a bunch of Republican congressmen that the Tea Party was responsible for the Giffords shooting. Not some rogue opinion writer, the ed board for the most foremost newspaper in America printed a long-debunked conspiracy theory in the aftermath of an assassination attempt on Republicans! You can't honestly tell me the right doesn't have a legitimate point to argue here.

And sure, if you want to point me to Hannity and Pizzagate and Seth whatshisname, I agree, they're crazy too. But I'm willing to acknowledge the nutjobs on the right, but I rarely hear people on the left who are willing to acknowledge that prominent, mainstream liberal media organizations very regularly engage in spreading misleading or false information.

I highly doubt the 'lefty' media would be behaving the way it is if:

1. Trump was even slightly presidential. Didn't try to call them Fake News. Didn't lie in the face of lies...ie Alternative Facts.

2. Payback on some levels for the treatment of Obama for the last 8 years.

Oh and Trump ordered that military doctor to lie. There is no way he is 239...maybe 293.

 

[BlueTX]

I'm not in the medical field. I do work alongside providers and insurers.

Thank you for answering. I've started multiple companies in the medical field, though I no longer work directly in that area I still own parts of them. In my direct experience state-run delivery of care, while it certainly has its issues, is infinitely more responsive, efficient and preferred by patients than private coverage.

The biggest challenge for our companies as well as providers was dealing with the morass (verifying coverage, reporting and getting paid) that is the varying rules, policies and practices of private insurance.

Please forgive if I do not reply for a bit. I'm ducking out for Board meetings this afternoon and tomorrow. Which means I will miss tomorrow's match with WBA.

 

[Pettifogger]

Disapproving of someones point or making a note on something they typed or said isn't showing disrespect nor is it attacking them it is an observation and a opinion but not an attack.

I'm sorry if you are hurt by my comments or you feel "attacked" in anyway. But i guess that's your opinion.

You made a point about healthcare being universal i told you it never was and you didn't understand it obviously. You came back asking me about the deaths part. I told you i never once referred to that and you took what you want to from my comment.

You made a claim about people should be able to get healthcare easy in this country even without the ACA and i told you that's not true in fact its the complete opposite . You came back with the same rhetoric before only this time you elaborated about your leanings which i never asked you about.

I made a point that you have contradicted yourself which is true. You said you liked Trump when you first started posting last week or this week which then became you didn't like him Which is it?

You have called me dishonest, disrespectful and eluded to my intelligence.

You then claim you have been kind to all which clearly isn't true but ok whatever man.

Look we will never agree and i am sure you are a top bloke and but clearly i said i was not going to reply again to you earlier because i felt it ran its course. You then got personal not me. So have a good one and bother someone else.

I made a comment about access to healthcare, and it's true. Marginal effort gets anyone in the US access to healthcare in this country, including preventative care.

Contradicting myself - Please show me where I said I liked Trump. I like some of what Trump has done, I prefer him over Hillary, etc. I haven't contradicted myself on that and I invite you to support your representation.

You called me dishonest, I called you dishonest. We're both referring to each other's arguments, I presume. I'm not alleging you're some dishonest person in general. My comment about your intellectual fortitude was solely with regard to your claiming I lashed out at you and didn't want to hear your opinion and thus, you were leaving. I think it was a cop out. I'm not claiming you're stupid or something similar.

I'm in a thread about Trump, as are you. I highly suspect you chimed in on my opinions before I did so to you. "Bother someone else" is therefore a pretty odd way to go about it, but you do you.

 

[Pettifogger]

Thank you for answering. I've started multiple companies in the medical field, though I no longer work directly in that area I still own parts of them. In my direct experience state-run delivery of care, while it certainly has its issues, is infinitely more responsive, efficient and preferred by patients than private coverage.

The biggest challenge for our companies as well as providers was dealing with the morass (verifying coverage, reporting and getting paid) that is the varying rules, policies and practices of private insurance.

Please forgive if I do not reply for a bit. I'm ducking out for Board meetings this afternoon and tomorrow. Which means I will miss tomorrow's match with WBA.

I guess I haven't experienced that, but I'm interested in hearing about the examples that were preferred by patients if you end up having time. I'll admit that I've worked in whistleblower matters relating to the VA and CMS, so we're probably coming at it from very different ends of the spectrum.

 

[SteveSC]

Oh and Trump ordered that military doctor to lie. There is no way he is 239...maybe 293.

No doubt it was in the best interests of national security.

I though thought the same. As someone who has gone through massive weight loss there's no way he is 239.

Anyway at 6 foot 3 inches and that weight he would defo be slimmer. He could maybe still be fat but defo not as big as he is now. Pictures don't lie. Doctors working for the white house seemingly do.

 

[Pettifogger]

So much wrong with this.



So I am to infer from this that you believe life begins at conception. The legal ramifications to this are staggering. Let's say a pregnant mother gets into an at fault car accident and the unborn fetus is the victim. Should she then be charged with involuntary manslaughter? I mean if abortion is premeditated murder as you are defining it I am sure you can see all kinds of legal scenarios that defining the moment of conception as life could create.



I highly doubt the 'lefty' media would be behaving the way it is if:

1. Trump was even slightly presidential. Didn't try to call them Fake News. Didn't lie in the face of lies...ie Alternative Facts.

2. Payback on some levels for the treatment of Obama for the last 8 years.

Oh and Trump ordered that military doctor to lie. There is no way he is 239...maybe 293.

Abortion - I do believe life begins at conception. And I agree with you on the precarious legal ramifications. I'm not sure what else I can chime in on here.

Media - That's a weak excuse and you know it. What does blaming conservatives for Orlando have to do with Trump? What does Scalise almost dying have to do with the NYT blatantly lying about Giffords? Nothing, honesty, and deep down, you know that's the case.

If your point is that the left is acting irrationally because of Trump, you're probably right.

As for payback, what about payback for treatment of W? This is a neverending cycle. Media in this country is absolute garbage at the moment, on both sides. There is no accountability whatsoever. Fox News only has to please a slice of the electorate, so they say whatever they want and go about their business. MSNBC, CNN, NYT, WaPo, etc., can similarly print outlandish stuff, then wait a week and walk it back when nobody is listening. The initial Joy Reid tweet saying the GOP wants people in inner cities to die gets a few thousand retweets. What about the retraction a day later? It's a totally frustrating situation for anyone who is sensible and is desperate for honest journalism.

 

[RAFUH]

two wrongs don't make a right.

Honestly this drives me nuts.

'X' did crap stuff so the crap stuff that 'Y' did is irrelevant.
Neither circumstance makes the other less objectionable

 

[Pettifogger]

Schumer heading to WH for meeting with Trump. Honestly I don't see this going well for POTUS

 

[RAFUH]

Well, I guess we can just stop any discussion then. In what world was Obama divisive?

The world where some people didn't like and/or didn't want him in the WH because he ain't white and others who disagreed with that sentiment.

 

[Pettifogger]

The world where some people didn't like and/or didn't want him in the WH because he ain't white and others who disagreed with that sentiment.

LOL

Must be racism, no other alternatives.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[RAFUH]

which ultimately equate to additional entitlement spending

Outside of the far right/left crazies, I think this is the main barrier to a NHS-like system in the US.

Some, largely those on the right side of the political spectrum, don't see healthcare as a right. I find this strange as it was Reagan who in the 80's (maybe not purposefully) turned healthcare into a de facto right. Hospitals accepting Medicare (virtually all of them) can not turn patients away from EDs based on the their inability pay, nationality or citizenship status or any reason really.

That is a form of universal healthcare...just the absolute worst possible version of it (let's wait until people are seriously ill or dying before we try to help them) That law along with the for-profit model has lead to the outrageous healthcare costs and poor health outcomes we now have in the US.

And although the law is considered an unfunded mandate, tax payers are still paying for it... either directly in personal healthcare costs or through higher costs to Medicare (and other payers) to cover unpaid mandated care that hospital pass along.

 

[roydo]

Outside of the far right/left crazies, I think this is the main barrier to a NHS-like system in the US.

Some, largely those on the right side of the political spectrum, don't see healthcare as a right. I find this strange as it was Reagan who in the 80's (maybe not purposefully) turned healthcare into a de facto right. Hospitals accepting Medicare (virtually all of them) can not turn patients away from EDs based on the their inability pay, nationality or citizenship status or any reason really.

That is a form of universal healthcare...just the absolute worst possible version of it (let's wait until people are seriously ill or dying before we try to help them) That law along with the for-profit model has lead to the outrageous healthcare costs and poor health outcomes we now have in the US.

And although the law is considered an unfunded mandate, tax payers are still paying for it... either directly in personal healthcare costs or through higher costs to Medicare (and other payers) to cover unpaid mandated care that hospital pass along.

I a no expert, but it does seem odd that the US cant have a universal health care system. That said, maybe you do.