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Hahaha. Every American has access to healthcare. It's a fact. If you can't pay for it, it's fine, you still have many, many avenues to get treatment for free. If you're given treatment without some sort of coverage and you can't pay for it, you don't get thrown in jail, in most cases nothing even happens to you. This doom and gloom nonsense about American healthcare is laughable.

I've invited everyone I've discussed this with in this thread to tell me why the USG should be believed capable of a socialized care system, and I've gotten exactly zero responses. Why? Because it's a huge albatross of a hole in the argument.

You used the phrase "anti-ethical to a Progressive nation" earlier in this thread to support your moral compass with regards to abortion.

Do you not think it is also anti-ethical to profit from healthcare as a whole? Human life being exploited for the wealth by those bound to protect human life?

There is no albatross BTW. If we as a nation chose to put American health ahead of profits and put out budgetary concerns as a nation in that direction I have no doubt the government could run an efficient system. Sure there would be flaws...just as there are in any government program...like the military for example...or the private sector as well.

The problem with human health being for profit is the consumer's best interest isn't at heart...rather the stockholders are the more important piece.
 
So this reasoning above is what encapsulates #MAGA...That poor people who can’t afford to pay their bills don’t go to jail?? I’m fairly certain lives can be financially ruined—and ruined in general, even if jail is not a consequence.

Late here but I’m sure many will be responding to you tomorrow.

I'm struggling with where to start.
Can't get past all this readily available free care.
 
I mean that the poor can get coverage, and that anyone can access healthcare. And why wouldn't it be a meaningful statement? I think having a system where anyone can access healthcare is pretty important. Especially in an era where one side tells the other side they're condemning people to death by not committing to the future of the ACA.

I was ignoring you until this gem.

'Can' if they have the ability to pay the premiums. What is wrong with you? As others have pointed out having access to and actually having it is completely different.

You are showing yourself up. You only care about you and because people have access too something that's good enough for you. You don't seem to care that people cannot afford it and that's the bloody point everyone else is making.

You are actually admitting what the left has thought about the real reason as to why the ACA is hated by the right and that's it helps poor people and potentially harms the middle classes. It should go away so only the poor will be harmed, but hey, its ok they have access still right?

You can repeat yourself over and over and try justify it. Sure throw an insult or two if that helps, but seriously you think access to and having are the same thing. God help us.
 
Yes i knew i missed one from my list of acceptable women unable to care for a child as in being too poor and no support etc. should also be included in acceptable that i can agree with. Within reason of course as in they need to learn from the first one and be better at being careful.

It's the man that puts the condom on mate. It's the man that so often bails on their responsibility. Not sure why women are getting the blame and the responsibility here. There was a post in another thread blaming some Tory MP for crassly and clumsily hoping that one day we might actually take responsibility for sex and the huge consequences of raising a child you're not able to support properly.

There's so much evidence to highlight the incredible importance of parenting, from education to crime, health to employment, yet we seem to shrug our shoulders and say it's fine to not wear a condom, it's fine to not think through the responsibility of raising your child. Generations of the welfare state show us that it isn't an able substitute. It isn't sufficient to put back together a broken home. Yet there still seems this weird male aversion to putting a [Poor language removed] condom on.
 
I know this is a bit tardy but I did want to respond.



Personally I think privatized health care is the stupidist system of care that favors the haves and punishes the have nots. For profit health care is just another way this country fails the working class among many others. It's sad that we remain the only Western democracy that doesn't provide universal healthcare. How rural America has been duped into thinking this is a bad thing for them is yet another in a series of con jobs Republicans have sold them on.

I'm largely ignorant of the [massively dysfunctional] US healthcare system, but I think I'm right in saying that the US government spend more on healthcare via Medicaid and Medicare than the British government do on the NHS. If that spending doesn't provide universal care, what on earth is it for?
 
I'm largely ignorant of the [massively dysfunctional] US healthcare system, but I think I'm right in saying that the US government spend more on healthcare via Medicaid and Medicare than the British government do on the NHS. If that spending doesn't provide universal care, what on earth is it for?

It's because the prices for everything - drugs, medical procedure fees, administration - are set by the insurance, hospital, and pharmaceutical cartels. Outside of major cities, for instance, hospitals (which are privately owned and run) operate virtual monopolies and can charge whatever they like. Even the ambulances are private firms. The government is (I believe) legally prohibited from negotiating its purchasing prices, and why the healthcare that it subsidises for the elderly and very poor remains so expensive. This is also why, for instance, online pharmaceutical imports from Canada have become so popular, because in Canada, the government actually uses its leverage as purchaser to negotiate a sensible price. It's pretty much exactly what Adam Smith is railing against in Wealth of Nations.

Americans (and increasingly, Brits) are also very unhealthy people by developed world standards. This is probably a big part of why European countries' healthcare systems get much better outcomes for less - their inhabitants are in much better shape to begin with.

Of course, the hospital is the last stop in the line in solving that problem, but it's where most of the political attention gets focused, because you can always just throw more money at it or pretend that Virgin and Carrilion can use their "free-market" voodoo to sort the whole mess. Building a society that isn't riven with chronic social isolation, the exploitation of the vulnerable, the breakdown of community spirit and empathy, and their side effects - obesity, alcoholism, broken families, spiraling incarceration rates, collapsing public services, despair - is beyond what you can envision by looking through neoliberal Overton window.
 
It's because the prices for everything - drugs, medical procedure fees, administration - are set by the insurance, hospital, and pharmaceutical cartels. Outside of major cities, for instance, hospitals (which are privately owned and run) operate virtual monopolies and can charge whatever they like. Even the ambulances are private firms. The government is (I believe) legally prohibited from negotiating its purchasing prices, and why the healthcare that it subsidises for the elderly and very poor remains so expensive. This is also why, for instance, online pharmaceutical imports from Canada have become so popular, because in Canada, the government actually uses its leverage as purchaser to negotiate a sensible price. It's pretty much exactly what Adam Smith is railing against in Wealth of Nations.

Americans (and increasingly, Brits) are also very unhealthy people by developed world standards. This is probably a big part of why European countries' healthcare systems get much better outcomes for less - their inhabitants are in much better shape to begin with.

Of course, the hospital is the last stop in the line in solving that problem, but it's where most of the political attention gets focused, because you can always just throw more money at it or pretend that Virgin and Carrilion can use their "free-market" voodoo to sort the whole mess. Building a society that isn't riven with chronic social isolation, the exploitation of the vulnerable, the breakdown of community spirit and empathy, and their side effects - obesity, alcoholism, broken families, spiraling incarceration rates, collapsing public services, despair - is beyond what you can envision by looking through neoliberal Overton window.

It's societies fault that people eat too much, drink heavily and don't get enough exercise?
 
In short I think the age of entitlement which is prevailing across societies world wide, particularly western society is what is the issue.
 
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