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Channel 4 there, interviewing people at the pro-life rally in Washington:

“Is there anything he has done, or said that you disagree with?”

“No, he walks on water as far as I’m concerned.”

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I a no expert, but it does seem odd that the US cant have a universal health care system. That said, maybe you do.


We don't.

I was hesitant to use the phrase universal healthcare because what we have in the US isn't that. It's universal but not healthcare.

*edit - what we have is the most expensive way to provide limited healthcare in certain types of settings to a portion of the population that we all ultimately still pay for.
 
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Outside of the far right/left crazies, I think this is the main barrier to a NHS-like system in the US.

Some, largely those on the right side of the political spectrum, don't see healthcare as a right. I find this strange as it was Reagan who in the 80's (maybe not purposefully) turned healthcare into a de facto right. Hospitals accepting Medicare (virtually all of them) can not turn patients away from EDs based on the their inability pay, nationality or citizenship status or any reason really.

That is a form of universal healthcare...just the absolute worst possible version of it (let's wait until people are seriously ill or dying before we try to help them) That law along with the for-profit model has lead to the outrageous healthcare costs and poor health outcomes we now have in the US.

And although the law is considered an unfunded mandate, tax payers are still paying for it... either directly in personal healthcare costs or through higher costs to Medicare (and other payers) to cover unpaid mandated care that hospital pass along.

I disagree with your leanings here, but I agree with your assessment of the obstacle. You also hit on my exact point about access to care.
 
Let’s all understand and never misuse or allow to be twisted the term “Universal Healthcare”
“Universal health care, (also referred to as universal health coverage, universal coverage, universal care or socialized health care) usually refers to a health care system that provides health care and financial protection to all citizens of a particular country.”

The US doesn’t have anything close to that besides for the dregs of society and the politicians.
 
Let’s all understand and never misuse or allow to be twisted the term “Universal Healthcare”
“Universal health care, (also referred to as universal health coverage, universal coverage, universal care or socialized health care) usually refers to a health care system that provides health care and financial protection to all citizens of a particular country.”

The US doesn’t have anything close to that besides for the dregs of society and the politicians.

I think everyone in this discussion understands the distinction between a system of governmental healthcare coverage and the concept/fact that anyone in the US can access healthcare.
 
I think everyone in this discussion understands the distinction between a system of governmental healthcare coverage and the concept/fact that anyone in the US can access healthcare.

What do you mean anyone can access healthcare...do you mean walking into an emergency room or urgent care? If so, then "access healthcare" isn't a meaningful statement given the larger issue of coverage.
 
What do you mean anyone can access healthcare...do you mean walking into an emergency room or urgent care? If so, then "access healthcare" isn't a meaningful statement given the larger issue of coverage.

I mean that the poor can get coverage, and that anyone can access healthcare. And why wouldn't it be a meaningful statement? I think having a system where anyone can access healthcare is pretty important. Especially in an era where one side tells the other side they're condemning people to death by not committing to the future of the ACA.
 
I mean that the poor can get coverage, and that anyone can access healthcare. And why wouldn't it be a meaningful statement? I think having a system where anyone can access healthcare is pretty important. Especially in an era where one side tells the other side they're condemning people to death by not committing to the future of the ACA.
you've got to cut down on the talk radio.
 
I mean that the poor can get coverage, and that anyone can access healthcare.

Only by the most pedantic interpretation of "access"
noun: the ability, right, or permission to approach, enter, speak with, or use; admittance:

Woohoo! I can walk into a building.

I have access to the Bentley showroom, but I not getting a Bentayga without forking over some cash.
 
I think everyone in this discussion understands the distinction between a system of governmental healthcare coverage and the concept/fact that anyone in the US can access healthcare.
You clearly don't as you referred to the US as having universal healthcare, which it very much doesn't. There are many millions of people without insurance and therefore actual healthcare in the States. You're either a troll or you're in a position where you've absorbed so much "knowledge" that you can't adsorb facts.
 
You clearly don't as you referred to the US as having universal healthcare, which it very much doesn't. There are many millions of people without insurance and therefore actual healthcare in the States. You're either a troll or you're in a position where you've absorbed so much "knowledge" that you can't adsorb facts.

Hahaha. Every American has access to healthcare. It's a fact. If you can't pay for it, it's fine, you still have many, many avenues to get treatment for free. If you're given treatment without some sort of coverage and you can't pay for it, you don't get thrown in jail, in most cases nothing even happens to you. This doom and gloom nonsense about American healthcare is laughable.

I've invited everyone I've discussed this with in this thread to tell me why the USG should be believed capable of a socialized care system, and I've gotten exactly zero responses. Why? Because it's a huge albatross of a hole in the argument.
 
Hahaha. Every American has access to healthcare. It's a fact. If you can't pay for it, it's fine, you still have many, many avenues to get treatment for free. If you're given treatment without some sort of coverage and you can't pay for it, you don't get thrown in jail, in most cases nothing even happens to you. This doom and gloom nonsense about American healthcare is laughable.

So this reasoning above is what encapsulates #MAGA...That poor people who can’t afford to pay their bills don’t go to jail?? I’m fairly certain lives can be financially ruined—and ruined in general, even if jail is not a consequence.

Late here but I’m sure many will be responding to you tomorrow.
 
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