2025/26 David Moyes

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Most people will be patient if they can see a plan and they can see a willingness across the club to get better

Seeing the CEO patting himself on the back as the season falls apart does not help.

Seeing the manager try the same failing tactics and selection every week does not help. Seeing the manager say he just doesn't understand how people could be frustrated, just adds to the disillusionment.

Patience is only the right attitude if there is tangible signs of progress. Patience when things are falling apart is arguably closer to negligence. The club need to give people hope because following this club has become a joyless experience.

We seen a plan this season...we lost to wolves in the cup,annoying but forgivable then the ass has fallen out of it.
Patience, I hear...30 years and counting....

 

[tsubaki]

moyes steadied the ship but also did enough for the board not to sack him.

we're stuck with him until we are flirting with relegation again.

it would have been much better to have dispensed with him now and bought in a progressive coach and given them a pre-season.

i fear that next season is going to be another of immense disappointment.

TBF I think its still possible, even now, to get a tune out of Moyes.

Just prevent him having anything to do with recruitment and get someone decent, ideally Thelwell, to do it instead. That will quickly result in a better squad that is less likely to sabotage itself and his tactics.

 

[windymiller]

Seems the tide has well and truly turned against Moyes.

Wonder how the general feeling would have been if we had won the last two games and finished 7th…

I wonder what my auntie's name would have been if she was my uncle?

38 games, 49 points, negative gd, 13th place. The table doesn't lie. No need for hypotheticals.

 

[riddick]

hear me out here…

so if we’re poo next season theyl sack

they’ve done it at roma enough to not be assed what time they do it

Matty, you KNOW Moyes isn't the long term answer because Moyes himself has said he's not the long term answer and he was talking retirement. If he's crap next year IN year, the coaches available are usually pretty awful. That's why most teams make changes in the summer. If he's not here long term then why stick with him at all?

It's stick or twist with him and I have no idea why anyone would want to stick.

 

[NeilMorepies]

Has he gone yet?

 

[Rob17896]

Are we no longer a sleeping giant

No, we are in a coma with a new motto 'nil by mouth.'

 

[Rob17896]

TBF I think its still possible, even now, to get a tune out of Moyes.

Just prevent him having anything to do with recruitment and get someone decent, ideally Thelwell, to do it instead. That will quickly result in a better squad that is less likely to sabotage itself and his tactics.

Also remove Moyes from team selection and tactics..

 

[trueblue84]

I reckon Moyes smells of stale piss.

 

[Username.]

That statement alone about not understanding the fans frustrations, is taking the piss.

 

[riddick]

No I don’t trust him, his methods are out dated massively. Clubs that are above us. They do t just sign players off the eye anymore, they use all kinds of data and stats when bringing players in. Clubs have had that in place for a while, we’ve only just recruited people to do that now.

I also believe if we had the stats of an unknown player from the French league whose stats were through the roof, Moyes would sign say a John Stones instead because he’s played in the prem. His methods, formations and tactics are out dated.

I don’t want him here next season cos if we are to progress, it needs to start now. I don’t think it’s going to happen though! The owners are capitalists, they aren’t here to make us successful, they are here to make money. It’s easier to get Roma in the champions league in Italy than it will be to get Everton into Europe through the prem.

For me, I’d go get Sebastian Hoeneb tomorrow and give him a war chest to build a team. But we won’t and we will spend around £100m this summer and be in a similar situation next year.

Oh no we will not be in a similar position next year. Next year we're going to have a new manager because Davey is going to get sacked halfway through the season and we'll be scrambling trying to find anyone to come in. Rinse/repeat.

Every. Single. One of us has seen this play out already. It's why ne NEEDS to be moved on this summer.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I get that. I thought (as did the majority based upon the start of season poll) and would've been happy with 9-12 this season. We've narrowly missed that, mostly due to our poor run in record.

I think, on balance a lot of the season is being framed around the last 7 games, which is unfair, but it can't be dismissed.

My bigger worry is, regardless of owner, we cannot be repeating transfer windows like we did under Moshiri, because the rules won't allow it and it kills progress.

I wrote something last week about it and the lack of alignment between manager and recruitment providing a transfer window which has largely been a failure. That can't be repeated again. But there is no change in the personnel or league position that led that process last summer - which the club described as "difficult".

What we have seen though, is younger profile players arrive and be marginalised by the manager (who apparently holds final say on them).

So either the rhetoric about recruitment isn't correct and it's not Moyes that has final say - in which case, if the manager doesn't align with the strategy, the strategy needs to change or the manager does. Or, the manager signed off on nearly £100m worth of signings and refused to play them in a season we finished 13th and 1 point better off than last season. In which case, the manager takes responsibility for that failing.

Either way, it's hard to make a case that Moyes should be given more funds in the summer, which given the rebuild needed, is essential and he only has limited time left at the club without extension - which would be unlikely for a progressive club given the performance.

Just musing on this point, focusing on the last seven games isn’t really unfair or recency bias as it demonstrates weaknesses in planning and motivation - it highlights that your “plan b”, both squad and tactics, isn’t working.

It is like conceding in the final minutes of a game, which coincidentally we did quite a bit recently too.

We’re 18th in the form table, even Wolves are ahead of us and they had far more reason to lack motivation and longer injury list.

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[GoldenToffee]

Horrible get.

 

[Thomasc]

This is going to boil some piss! And rightly so.

Imagine the culture at Everton being this proactive? No chance is there.

Probably more concerned about Seamus getting a few claps.

 

[kenada_blue]

I get that. I thought (as did the majority based upon the start of season poll) and would've been happy with 9-12 this season. We've narrowly missed that, mostly due to our poor run in record.

I think, on balance a lot of the season is being framed around the last 7 games, which is unfair, but it can't be dismissed.

My bigger worry is, regardless of owner, we cannot be repeating transfer windows like we did under Moshiri, because the rules won't allow it and it kills progress.

I wrote something last week about it and the lack of alignment between manager and recruitment providing a transfer window which has largely been a failure. That can't be repeated again. But there is no change in the personnel or league position that led that process last summer - which the club described as "difficult".

What we have seen though, is younger profile players arrive and be marginalised by the manager (who apparently holds final say on them).

So either the rhetoric about recruitment isn't correct and it's not Moyes that has final say - in which case, if the manager doesn't align with the strategy, the club need to decide which needs to change.

Or, the manager signed off on nearly £100m worth of signings and refused to play them in a season we finished 13th and 1 point better off than last season. In which case, the manager takes responsibility for that failing.

Either way, it's hard to make a case that Moyes should be given more funds in the summer, which given the rebuild needed, is essential and he only has limited time left at the club without extension - which would be unlikely for a progressive club given the performance.

For the most part there's plenty of positives as the season went on (away performances etc). But when there was a wobble, bar away to Villa, I dont think Moyes ever tried to utilised what he had which eventually led to the last 2 months of the season. That's where the issue is and it wont change.

Moyes literally has his 11 players. The remaining 14 barely come into the equation unless there's no option. He'll then bemoan not having enough good players as if we're one of the super clubs with 2 squads.

The bottom line is that he won't get that. He won't get a squad bencher better than his core 11 as they know they won't play. He'll only get young players with potential (Dibling for eg) that he'll have to develop...which he wont.

We've been on this train before. You've got about 7 players all wanting out because of it

 

[kenada_blue]

This is going to boil some piss! And rightly so.

Imagine the culture at Everton being this proactive? No chance is there.

Probably more concerned about Seamus getting a few claps.View attachment 354866

The footage of them huddled around someone's phone waiting for the results then going mad showed how much they wanted it when they could get it