2025/26 David Moyes

[jceverton]

In both his stints at the club he has had too much power for me.

That was fine while Kenwright was around as bumbling Bill seemed to like the weight off his own shoulders.

But TFG need to knock him down a peg or two. It's obvious he agreed to manage us as long as he had control. It's obvious that getting rid of Thellwell was one of his conditions. He needs remindinding he's not as good as he thinks he is.

Yeah good point. I think that's what happened at West Ham tbh, when they brought the DOF in. Bring back Thelwell and Purdy!

 

[pedro789]

I think the way we play means we were always going to fall over the finishing line.

It's physically hard when you haven't got the ball.

It's draining when you give teams 60-70% possession (even Sunderland had something like this last week).

There aren't many team that play this way and eventually it catches up, especially when you're just playing the same team over and over again.

I'm not excusing the players for fumbling Europe but the style of play is definitely a big factor.

 

[Tin-Tin]

Great listening to them underline what ive (and many more) been saying for months.

Frightening on recruitment setup.

Stupidity on Moyes part to not develop talented young very highly rated players

What incentive does he have to do this? He knew he was only brought in to steady the ship and TFG wanted a shorter contract. He is obviously only concerned with the current and possibly next season.

Wouldnt surprise me if he's making a point to the board that these youngsters who I cant believe he signed, are not ready or good enough and they should listen to him when buying.

If he signs an extension he should be told that as long as the club are not fighting relegation, the youngsters have to be given more than 6 minutes every 8 games.

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

Clearly the last 7 games were extremely poor and should not be ignored, but I do think they’ve become disproportionate in how the entire season is being judged - which I alluded to in my original post.

Unfortunately, for those willing to persist with Moyes, poor form at the end of the season absolutely raises questions about squad depth, the managers adaptability and game management. Compounded by the number of late goals conceded.

But I’m not convinced it automatically invalidates the other games where we were broadly tracking toward a much more respectable finish than most expected in August. There lies the frustration.

Frustratingly once we were safe, the intensity clearly dropped (again the manager shoulders blame for not rotating) which isn’t unique to this group of players. But I can understand it given recent seasons battling relegation - a 'collective relax' perhaps.

For me, the more important issue is whether the club actually has a coherent football strategy. If the recruitment team is targeting younger profile players while the manager either doesn’t trust or doesn’t use them, then that disconnect is the real problem for next year; because that’s exactly the sort of thing that caused stagnation under previous regimes.

Nonsense. Read loads of data analysis things on us when we were going better in the first half the season, pointing out that we were outperforming what all the data was telling us - i.e. this will come back to bite us. It did.

Even basic data analysis told us that if we didn’t have a keeper as good as Pickford, we'd be a long way down the table.

 

[Tin-Tin]

Are we no longer a sleeping giant ?

More like a deep coma

 

[Bedfordblue]

Nonsense. Read loads of data analysis things on us when we were going better in the first half the season, pointing out that we were outperforming what all the data was telling us - i.e. this will come back to bite us. It did.

Even basic data analysis told us that if we didn’t have a keeper as good as Pickford, we'd be a long way down the table.

Great point, forgot about all that in the first ½ of the season.

 

[JLW]

Oh no we will not be in a similar position next year. Next year we're going to have a new manager because Davey is going to get sacked halfway through the season and we'll be scrambling trying to find anyone to come in. Rinse/repeat.

Every. Single. One of us has seen this play out already. It's why ne NEEDS to be moved on this summer.

Expect someone like Thomas Frank around November time

 

[Blue peter]

We have to hope he gets us into Europe for then our new manager waiting

That’s the only other reason I would want a new manager for next season 1) not only current availability but 2) it’s a good season to bed a new manager in if they do not also have to contend with Europe. It all appears moot anyway…I just think we are missing a trick.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Nonsense. Read loads of data analysis things on us when we were going better in the first half the season, pointing out that we were outperforming what all the data was telling us - i.e. this will come back to bite us. It did.

Even basic data analysis told us that if we didn’t have a keeper as good as Pickford, we'd be a long way down the table.

Sorry, what bit is nonsense? The bit where I say our end of season form wasn't good enough, the bit where I said the manager didn't rotate his squad enough, the bit where I said the the recruitment was flawed or the part where I said we were performing better than previous seasons until 7 games ago?

Also, we do have a keeper as good as Pickford so maybe account that in your basic data analysis.

 

[wabisabi]

What incentive does he have to do this? He knew he was only brought in to steady the ship and TFG wanted a shorter contract. He is obviously only concerned with the current and possibly next season.

Wouldnt surprise me if he's making a point to the board that these youngsters who I cant believe he signed, are not ready or good enough and they should listen to him when buying.

If he signs an extension he should be told that as long as the club are not fighting relegation, the youngsters have to be given more than 6 minutes every 8 games.

His incentive (should be) that he is Manager of Everton Football Club.

Agreed that could well be part of the point he is/has been making and if true, reason enough to wind up his contract now and move him on.

To not to be fighting relegation and to be playing younger squad members does not connect with the reality of Moyes and the Club right now.

 

[Zatara]

What incentive does he have to do this? He knew he was only brought in to steady the ship and TFG wanted a shorter contract. He is obviously only concerned with the current and possibly next season.

Wouldnt surprise me if he's making a point to the board that these youngsters who I cant believe he signed, are not ready or good enough and they should listen to him when buying.

If he signs an extension he should be told that as long as the club are not fighting relegation, the youngsters have to be given more than 6 minutes every 8 games.

Paddy Bowland has been on a 'podcast' and said that the recruitment structure has been built around Moyes.

@Bluepablo posted it

Seeing the names of those including people he's worked with before and the Moyes & Kinnear confirmation that Moyes has the final say on transfers...

...he's at the least agreed to all the players.

Boyland also made the point that if we boot Moyes the new structure is built for him OR a new manager - not a coach with a DOF.

He also made the point which you allude to, that Moyes went for Europe rather than develop young players he had signed.

He then pointed out that the young players such as Armstrong & George looked superior or at least as good as those Moyes had been using non-stop.

Said that Moyes signed players (or with armstrong) didnt allow for certain loans and it made no sense at all.

 

[Blue peter]

Clearly the last 7 games were extremely poor and should not be ignored, but I do think they’ve become disproportionate in how the entire season is being judged - which I alluded to in my original post.

Unfortunately, for those willing to persist with Moyes, poor form at the end of the season absolutely raises questions about squad depth, the managers adaptability and game management. Compounded by the number of late goals conceded.

But I’m not convinced it automatically invalidates the other games where we were broadly tracking toward a much more respectable finish than most expected in August. There lies the frustration.

Frustratingly once we were safe, the intensity clearly dropped (again the manager shoulders blame for not rotating) which isn’t unique to this group of players. But I can understand it given recent seasons battling relegation - a 'collective relax' perhaps.

For me, the more important issue is whether the club actually has a coherent football strategy. If the recruitment team is targeting younger profile players while the manager either doesn’t trust or doesn’t use them, then that disconnect is the real problem for next year; because that’s exactly the sort of thing that caused stagnation under previous regimes.

Agreed on the broader footballing strategy and how that translates into operations and target setting but last 7 games aside or the first 31 (whichever way you choose to look at it) the only thing that actually matters is the 38 games and where we finally finished.

What I find staggering if we can see what a streamlined operational structure should look like where everyone is aligned yet the club regardless of ownership has not seemed to embrace that. This summer and then the early games of next year will really show how aligned the recruitment strategy and Moyes is.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Paddy Bowland has been on a 'podcast' and said that the recruitment structure has been built around Moyes.

@Bluepablo posted it

Seeing the names of those including people he's worked with before and the Moyes & Kinnear confirmation that Moyes has the final say on transfers...

...he's at the least agreed to all the players.

Boyland also made the point that if we boot Moyes the new structure is built for him OR a new manager - not a coach with a DOF.

He also made the point which you allude to, that Moyes went for Europe rather than develop young players he had signed.

He then pointed out that the young players such as Armstrong & George looked superior or at least as good as those Moyes had been using non-stop.

Said that Moyes signed players (or with armstrong) didnt allow for certain loans and it made no sense at all.

Bizarre. If that is to be believed then it's 100% on Moyes.

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

Sorry, what bit is nonsense? The bit where I say our end of season form wasn't good enough, the bit where I said the manager didn't rotate his squad enough, the bit where I said the re recruitment was flawed or the part where I said we were performing better than previous seasons until 7 games ago?

Also, we do have a keeper as good as Pickford so maybe account that in your basic data analysis.

The broadly tracking bit. A real club would be so concerned about all the things you said, as well as the underlying metrics. Too many red flags to be ignored.

So, as to your point about a disproportionate view of the season, there is no disproportionate view. We've been shocking and were massively riding our luck when performing better. And that was borne out in the end.

As to the Pickford thing, you could have the greatest keeper that ever lived, but if you continue to give up chances like we were, you will
be found out. Therefore, Moyes was riding mostly on pure luck.

 

[Blue peter]

Nonsense. Read loads of data analysis things on us when we were going better in the first half the season, pointing out that we were outperforming what all the data was telling us - i.e. this will come back to bite us. It did.

Even basic data analysis told us that if we didn’t have a keeper as good as Pickford, we'd be a long way down the table.

Great shout but to be fair a lot of us could also see it with our own eyes as well.