Tom Hughes
Player Valuation: £20m
Well it's both of course...... but if all around you spend more and have done for seasons and you're starting point is being a very poor regular relegation candidate.... then the odds are generally against you.
Well it's both of course...... but if all around you spend more and have done for seasons and you're starting point is being a very poor regular relegation candidate.... then the odds are generally against you.
pfim
Player Valuation: £50m
That is improving the team. That is the bigger picture.
To me, Moyes needed to get into Europe or develop the younger players. He's done neither.
We're literally right back where we were at this time last year. No European football to entice players to join, yet still sacrificing development for immediate results.
HalfTimeSayers
Player Valuation: £35m
The issue people have is that 7 games ago, we had turned it around. The target in March was 5th or 6th. Just because the target last August was “safety” doesn’t make the seasons work ok.
Another couple of things before I stop moaning for a few days:
-singled out KDH and Ndiaye for dropping their form just when we needed them. Totally true, but why only them by name? Managers don’t do that.
-apparently we were “squeezed” over winter with the squad. Again true. But a few games he had no option but to make changes, throwing Rohl and even Dibling in, we got fantastic results with aggressive passionate performances. Rohl in particular immediately binned as soon as the old codgers were available.
Phew.
nonstripdzebra
Player Valuation: £1.5m
Even being more pro a change I get this sentiment as well. But I do wonder how much Moyes is doing in both helping or hindering that process regardless of our league finishes.
Beyond midtable, not being in relegation scraps we have kind of committed to a similar ethos we had under the revolving door era. Moyes effectively is dictating more than I would say most in the EPL get to in his role. A trait that was present under Carlo, Rafael etc. How his methodology and tenure will translate I think is still very uncertain because of his empowerment no matter if we were in 7th or 16th.
That’s all to say I see a reality he is removed and things get much worse. How TFG would respond to that is an open book. But the club can’t avoid what it can’t avoid. Everton have to build a back room recruitment structure that supersedes a manager longterm. The best grounds for that evolution are very debatable but I do think that change ultimately isn’t.
Blast_of_Cannock
Player Valuation: £25m
I think it's because he hasn't scored any own-goals this season, and missed out on the goal bonuses.We actually gave Keane a pay rise?!
I think that’s a nonsense
People can see the bigger picture, the flaw is the divisive choice of manager
You don’t start out a rebuild which requires patience with somebody so polarising, it’s just a patently flawed idea.
He’s not Allardyce/Benitez levels of dumb/divisive, but out of the choices out there he is the next level down in terms of bad ideas. Only part of the fanbase sat in the love/hate brackets, the majority were no better than tolerant of it which was just waiting for a bad run to flip to outrage
That was built-in from day one.
We need a manager that can shift the tolerance and patience upwards, and god forbid that can actually inspire us a bit
preposterousvelios
Player Valuation: £15m
He's won 5 games over the entire second half of the season, while neglecting the players we need to be developing for the future.
It's a lot worse than you're making out, no one is expecting 'instant success' but there has to be some standards surely.
Dead man walking. Owners must have a plan in place. Stupid to wait and see how he starts next season after signing off a load of players.
Delargeinho
Player Valuation: £35m
Nope, the last 2 months put me into the same boat as many others here. It‘s not shifting into the right direction. I am usually more the guy that wants manager to give time to build something like Arteta, Pep or Klopp.
I would accept the 49 points if we saw promising progress on the pitch, such as a clear idenity that makes look forward to more, players developed apart from Garner, young players getting their minutes now and then etc. But we haven‘t seen any of that.
We need a mentality shift. That for me needs a change of manager and also clear out of players.
We need leaders to go on the pitch with example. But not the Soucek type of players more the Xhaka type of players.
This week is a big week. If he doesn't go this week he's not going anywhere and gets to start next season.
The Truth of the matter is
Moyes was a short term fix, who is turning into a Long Term Liability
1st 19 games - Did well, for a given value of better than Dyche
2nd 19 games - did OK, if nobody mentions the Wolves game but still threw points away.
3rd 19 games - Again, if nobody say Sunderland like it was Blackadder saying Macbeth did OKish still threw away points
Then just fell off the cliff after the Arsenal Debacle...forget Chelsea, they were worse than we were that's all
Moyes & Kinnear/The Transfer Committee These Clowns going to get us relegated
Moyes was a short term fix, who is turning into a Long Term Liability
1st 19 games - Did well, for a given value of better than Dyche
2nd 19 games - did OK, if nobody mentions the Wolves game but still threw points away.
3rd 19 games - Again, if nobody say Sunderland like it was Blackadder saying Macbeth did OKish still threw away points
Then just fell off the cliff after the Arsenal Debacle...forget Chelsea, they were worse than we were that's all
Moyes & Kinnear/The Transfer Committee These Clowns going to get us relegated
Probably
This. After spending close on 120m pounds, we called Dyche, Lampard, Benitez but none of those managers had the financial backing Moyes had. For clarity never wanted Benitez it was a poor call.
