2025/26 David Moyes

[Taifi gorm]

How Everton’s European hopes evaporated: Grealish missed, Hill Dickinson struggles but faith in Moyes

Everton's season promised much but ended with Moyes' side 'happily dissatisfied', as their chief executive put it

www.nytimes.com

"Keane’s form in the early part of the campaign, when Branthwaite was missing with a hamstring injury, was viewed as an unexpected bonus. The 33-year-old centre-back ended up making enough starts to trigger a mandatory one-year extension, but Everton bumped up his salary as a reward for his form."

Jesus wept. Purgatory FC.

 

[Drico]

The culture at the club stinks

Absolutely reeks of mediocrity

It reminds me of a public service being run not for the public, but for the workers and management.

Fans are merely there to prop up the lifestyles these people have become accustomed to. There is no culture of excellence. TFG want to fatten up the balance sheet for a flip. Moyes wants to fatten up his pension pot. Too many are there to cling on to the gravy train for as long as they can. Performance doesn't come into it.

But the blue donuts are great and season ticket prices are on the up. A "compelling" case for bonuses all round.

 

[NathDogg]

How Everton’s European hopes evaporated: Grealish missed, Hill Dickinson struggles but faith in Moyes

Everton's season promised much but ended with Moyes' side 'happily dissatisfied', as their chief executive put it

www.nytimes.com

"Keane’s form in the early part of the campaign, when Branthwaite was missing with a hamstring injury, was viewed as an unexpected bonus. The 33-year-old centre-back ended up making enough starts to trigger a mandatory one-year extension, but Everton bumped up his salary as a reward for his form."

Jesus wept. Purgatory FC.

We actually gave Keane a pay rise?!

 

[Davideeyore]

The desperation by everyone within the club to convince everyone the season was a resounding success, tells us that the club is absolutely broken internally. Standards must be on the floor.

Somewhere within the football club there's a big painting of Bill Kenwright that everyone goes to for inspiration.

 

[jceverton]

The risk for ownership is we end up like Blackburn Leicester or Leeds for 20 years, to name but a few.

All had more recent success all went out EPL, some may not even continue to exist!

First time in several seasons we’ve been nowhere near relegation!

Palace flirted with relegation for much of the season only pulled away recently, let’s see how these other clubs cope.

At least one of them will be near relegation and Europe will be the blame.

The flip side of your logic is that there's no risk sticking with Moyes. Let's just take a step back and look what he did at West Ham in the cold hard light of day. He spent over £500 million and left an ageing, unbalanced squad, lacking a centre forward, and a squad on high wages. He had multiple big money signings who didn't work out. That's the risk in sticking with Moyes, he could ultimately leave us in a worse position in the medium term. Effectively because of Thelwell and Purdys working miracles we had a functional squad, on fairly low wages that we could build on when we had money to spend. In short they gave us a financial reset and a platform to build on. What happened then is Moyes blew £120m plus and didn't improve the team. The risk now is that we let him do exactly the same this summer. If we do then the stable financial platform we had to build on will have been wasted by Moyes and the club. That's a clear risk and one I wouldn't be taking.

 

[UltraVires]

The thing i don’t get is that time and again Moyes is saying that we aren’t capable of spending £200m on players and while that is clearly a lot of money, for PL standards these days it actually isn’t loads.

 

[Drico]

We actually gave Keane a pay rise?!

Performance-related, I'm sure...

 

[Taifi gorm]

The thing i don’t get is that time and again Moyes is saying that we aren’t capable of spending £200m on players and while that is clearly a lot of money, for PL standards these days it actually isn’t loads.

He means he isn't capable.

 

[Smurph]

The last 6 games of the season were a disaster, up until then slightly above Par, and we finished slightly below par.

But it is staggeringly marginal. The whole center of the table is full of annoyed fans calling for managers heads. Brentford didn't make Europe with a 22 goal a season striker. Newcastle didn't make Europe with a midfield of Tonali and Guimaraes and 110 million spent on strikers. Brighton only made Conference League (which I would have been delighted with for sure). History and club size and all that I know, but these are solid Prem clubs with very good squads - in my opinion better than ours. Even Spurs and West Ham have a load of players that would walk into our first team.

Yeah Dibling was a bad buy, but he was highly rated and these things happen. Yes of course Moyes should have been less conservative and give George and Alcaraz more game time, but again these players don't look like they can influence a game from the start or really change the result of a match.

The idea that we are a manager away from success is fanciful. The idea that we can spend 100-200 million quid on players and guarantee ourselves a step up the ladder is also fanciful. Our lack of investment and net spend on the squad has been that bad.

That's where we are. We are in the margins. A bad season away from relegation still. Its going to take years to turn around and continuing the manager merry go around is not going to help.

I'd be up for giving Iraola a go of course, he might be the one available manager worth a risk. But I wouldn't expect any improvement without a massive influx of players and even then the prem shows that nothing is guaranteed.

 

[widnesblue]

I can understand why they don't see it in quite the same way many of us do.

But what I do know is we know the club better than them. We know the culture.

If they hold on to David Moyes, it will be the biggest mistake they ever make at Everton.

Genuine question here, what is the culture at Everton at the minute? From the owners, board and manager to the fans? It seems like nobody is on the same wave length.

 

[maccavennie]

Genuine question here, what is the culture at Everton at the minute? From the owners, board and manager to the fans? It seems like nobody is on the same wave length.

The CEO and manager are definitely on the same wavelength. They've both come out and said we weren't in a relegation battle from Christmas onwards which is good. They're both "happily disappointed" with how things have turned out.

I'm assuming for Kinnear to come out with that waffle, that he'd had the go ahead from his bosses so they must be happily dissatisfied too.

 

[toffeeblue9]

so you would be ok keeping Moyes in on the last year of his contract and bringing in players who probably won't feature in another managers setup should Moyes balls it up again?

The last bit is a supposition - plenty of Moyes players were regulars under Martinez.

But, to be clear, I didn't say I want Moyes in charge of this summer's recruitment and want him here next season, just that regardless of the prevailing sentiment here currently (and understandably given the collapse of recent weeks), Moyes won't be going anywhere unless he wants to. We know that from what Kinnear has said.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

All the clowns saying "be careful what you wish for" are part of the problem. By their logic we should never aspire to anything. They're basically saying that we have a choice between perpetual lower mid-table mediocrity/potentially getting relegated any given season and taking a risk that might backfire. Well if thats the case then we might as well take a risk then, because its clear that a true shock to the system is the only way that things will ever change at this club. Apparently things have to get worse for them to stand even a chance of getting better. What we are doing now, what we've done for decades isn't anything to be proud of, we're just existing. Its constant failure.

 

[Curtis]

Considering he didn’t pay a penny for anyone over the age of 29 this season maybe we wait until he does before flapping.

You're going counter with it didn't happen so doesn't count but we made several efforts to sign Soucek last summer which can be corroborated by reports same with mcginn , yes the offers were rejected but it signaled intent

 

[Swartzy]

He has the local media walking on eggshells, the minute they ask him anything remotely challenging he gets all arsey, he’s a bit of a bully.

A total Bully, Nothing has put me off him more than his smug ego.
If it was Any other manager I'd be thinking he's asking for the chop.

That mouth needs to be put to rest.