2025/26 David Moyes

[widnesblue]

I don’t think it’s realised quite how much of a reset we have been required to do and are still amidst.

I agree simply aiming for top half isn’t enough, we want Europe and trophies of course for any season to count as a success but I feel a little more patience is required.

We need to be a bit less bipolar as a fan base. Rather than <current manager> in/out, just ‘do better Everton’. The managerial merry go round is a big part of how we ended up in that situation in the first place.

Not knocking the guy personally, but the sheer amount of money the club threw at Marco Silva alone in bonuses and wages was enough to almost break the club. That is one single guy, never mind the others.

We don’t need a return to that at least.

Totally agree. Our fans are so starved of success and are desperate for it, they don’t see the bigger picture.

Everyone wants Iraloa but would he improved this squad in 12 months? No, would his football suit the squad we’ve currently got? No. He’d improve individual players but not the team.

Moving stadiums alone was a big deal, how many clubs who have moved grounds have struggled to adapt for the first couple of seasons? Loads. Add into the fact we needed a new squad, had new owners, new board, new youth set up and etc. It’s not only been a major overhaul on the playing front but the club of a whole.

Anyone who runs a business will tell you it takes a lot longer to turn a struggling business around in 12 months.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Not at all, delusion was thinking that we were that good to start with. I just didn't get carried away by notions of grandeur because we managed to keep pace with the large chasing-pack, up to very recently, with a few quality players shining occasionally.

I think we were 15th biggest spend this year, and after 5 yrs of lowest net spend in the league. That normally does not a great team make, especially after losing 2 of the few quality players half-way through, one in midfield and one in defence.... At very best, we're half-decent, at our worst we're pretty poor and clearly disjointed, probably averaging out at "workmanlike" imo.

Most squads around us are better quality and more balanced.... that's what often happens when you spend more money and have greater managerial stability for longer periods. Frustrating? Yes, but that's football.

I'm sure if they hadn't been here already, there would now be lots of clamour for Silva or Lampard based on their recent performances....(and perhaps still justifiably) but we tried them already, and the point is, without sustained funding/team-building over more windows, we have already seen the outcome for them, which would lead to further clamour for the next flavour of the month manager..... ad infinitum till we either hit gold or get relegated.

It's less about what we spend and more about how we spend it

Most of our budget last summer went on a player who we haven't used since January

 

[Marcus Kendall]

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Sadly that is a total impossibility now.

New manager wins three then loses one? SACK THEM. Two consecutive away draws? GET THEM OUT OF MY CLUB. It’s honestly anti-productive.

People want absolutely instant success and are simply not prepared to be patient. Either that or it’s loads of cases of “empty cans rattle the most”.

I don't think so. I think we want to see a manager implement a style that we can see will bring rewards in the long-term. I'd be patient with a new manager if he's putting in the right building blocks as you can look past a few inconsistencies if there's a good method in place. Keeping Moyes achieves nothing as we know exactly what he'll be doing next season and it's certainly not progressive which is the whole point of a club our size

 

[Fonzy]

100 pages since kick off

Wait to see how many there are when we sign Bowen and soucek

 

[Igrok]

M.I.S.E.R.Y.

 

[jceverton]

What functional squad did we have to build on? Pickford, Branthwaite, Tarkowski, Garner, Gana, O’Brien and N’Diaye? That’s 7 players who were the only good players at the club. That’s not a functional squad, it’s far from it.

The previous two seasons we had a squad that got us to 49 & 48 points (removing point deductions) in the league. Clearly that's a functional squad to build on. The first eleven that played for most of this season were basically here before Moyes. The key was to build on it, in the summer. Moyes hasn't.

 

[Taifi gorm]

Soucek just put out a statement, sounds like he isn't looking to jump, though he wasn't going to say different after yesterday.
hope he's loyal.

"So, say we all"

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

Is he gone yet?

 

[Frenk]

It's less about what we spend and more about how we spend it

Most of our budget last summer went on a player who we haven't used since January

Being unable to beat Sunderland (finishing below them too) and Leeds was unacceptable. Add in the Horrific early exits from cup competitions at the hands of Wolves and Sunderland too and it paints an even gloomier picture. Poor signings, poor in game management should equal Moyes being shown the exit door.

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

M.I.S.E.R.Y.

Moyes Is Sh@#e, Especially Regarding Youth???

 

[jceverton]

Players were lined up to be signed before the first one including Truffert and Wesley. He rejected both. So annoying when people say he’s got no full backs - he made that choice

Players identified by Thelwell who was doing a great job and undoubtedly Moyes got him the chop. Now we are stuck with Angus “Happily Dissatisfied” Kinnear talking crap and have no idea who does what what with transfers except Moyes has final say

You clearly knew that our squad was small, as did everyone else. Surely this January we should have strengthened knowing that players get injured.

100% this with one slight caveat. The worse thing we did was ditch the DOF role due to Moyes insistence. That cost us Thelwell and Purdy and left Moyes in charge of squad building. He wanted James Smith to replace their role and that's what has happened. Moyes isn't happy with Cox negotiating the deals that's because Moyes has certain favorite agents he likes to deal with. Draw your own conclusions. The results have been disastrous and will continue to be disastrous until Moyes is kicked into touch. Then we need to restructure the club properly if we are to really move forward.

 

[Frenk]

I don't think so. I think we want to see a manager implement a style that we can see will bring rewards in the long-term. I'd be patient with a new manager if he's putting in the right building blocks as you can look past a few inconsistencies if there's a good method in place. Keeping Moyes achieves nothing as we know exactly what he'll be doing next season and it's certainly not progressive which is the whole point of a club our size

100%. Why is it that people think he is going to change and bring success, absolutely mind boggling.

 

[nonstripdzebra]

I am of two minds in regards to a change, but I think that’s mainly fed by the revolving door we had prior to TFG and uncertainty of the backroom we have set up. But fear in that regard is not a basis of good judgement or at least ultimately avoidable. We are in a marriage of convenience but even when things were a bit more optimistic how this era would transfer to another manager was always questionable.

I can take the points total and league finish. I can take the average recruitment. But what I can’t shake is, I can’t take the lack of a developmental track offered to our youth while also being stagnant.

Moyes made bets that being presently focused would muster a return that would justify that approach. He’s moved with immediacy, but the result is at best stagnation. And when the trade off is prospects not being giving a pathway to improve, that’s a calculation that’s untenable. If Moyes likes it or not the youth on the squad improving is the basis of us improving.

I think I fall on replacement simply on that. Fundamentally he doesn’t seem to agree on that and to me that’s beyond opinion, that is fundamental and non negotiable.

This critique is cut with questions of availability, and beyond that the club needing to set up a better recruitment structure. I’ve seen the opinions of Glasner or Ireola being available because of a lack of EPL jobs, but I think it’s still very rational to question how attractive our job would be to them. It’s also not lost on me that Bournemouth’s back room runs circles around ours and how that has informed Ireola’s results on the pitch.

But these are deserved questions that have to be explored. And no matter if Moyes stays or goes the club has to begin to put in place a structure that exists above him and is competent.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

100%. Why is it that people think he is going to change and bring success, absolutely mind boggling.

It'll be the same football but with more of 'his' players but the blueprint will be identical and the same flaws will arise again. Plus keeping a manager in his last year of his contract isn't very sensible from a long-term view so either back him with a new contract (hopefully not) or say our goodbyes to him and thank him for some of the good work he's done

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I don’t think it’s realised quite how much of a reset we have been required to do and are still amidst.

I agree simply aiming for top half isn’t enough, we want Europe and trophies of course for any season to count as a success but I feel a little more patience is required.

We need to be a bit less bipolar as a fan base. Rather than <current manager> in/out, just ‘do better Everton’. The managerial merry go round is a big part of how we ended up in that situation in the first place.

Not knocking the guy personally, but the sheer amount of money the club threw at Marco Silva alone in bonuses and wages was enough to almost break the club. That is one single guy, never mind the others.

We don’t need a return to that at least.

Been some mad shouts here who should replace Moyes, often peddled football is about opinion.

However, it’s clear some know very little about football cause they don’t know the difference between a head coach role or Manager role and where football director would be with either or at all…

It not good opinion if basics are not understood.

EFC would have another reset to accommodate the latest shiny thing.

It’s a scary thread obviously where Moshiri would get his foitball acumen from.