Not only that but Europe is seen like a poison chalice THIS year but.. And here's the kicker.. We should aim for it NEXT year!
*Edit* also let's not forget the classic excuses of "we don't have the squad for it"even tho he never used 1/3 of them nor have Sunderland been in the League for 70 years straight so they have the squad. Also the classic "it will distract us from the the league where we MIGHT be able to.,.. Get... Europe"
Looooooosers, the lot of you.
And a specialist set piece coach, we seriously need one.
Appointing new assistants was definitely a big part of Fergie's success and he made no secret of their contribution too.
Pep has done similar.
I wonder does Moyes have the enthusiasm or curiosity to learn new things at this stage
WilliamBoo
Player Valuation: £2.5m
He's incapable of any self-criticism. Everything he argues is about luck , the referees, VAR, the players etc. A classic manipulator.
witchdoc187
Player Valuation: £70m
Fair enough. But it was only a couple of months ago that we were dreaming of champions league. I don't think for me that if we then go on a bad run with a bad squad the manager needs changing. That's just me but totally understand the other point of view too. Personally I'd give him another year and see what happens. Maybe we'll get a right back and a half decent striker. I dunno
Fonzy
Player Valuation: £8m
Who remembers him getting Adams in!! That worked out well
And a specialist set piece coach, we seriously need one.
Appointing new assistants was definitely a big part of Fergie's success and he made no secret of their contribution too.
Pep has done similar.
I wonder does Moyes have the enthusiasm or curiosity to learn new things at this stage
A specialist next time, not some lad who knows what a corner is
Rehnman
Player Valuation: £1.5m
Me too. The set piece coach is a good example - he arrived saying he was looking for one, ended up appointing his mate Charlie, our set pieces got worse, so he let him go... and then didn't replace him, did he?? When he was appointed, he also suggested he was going to look at the first team coaching set up at the end of the season, but nothing changed there either. It's not just that he's failing in comparison to other managers, he's failing in comparison to himself first time round.
And a specialist set piece coach, we seriously need one.
Appointing new assistants was definitely a big part of Fergie's success and he made no secret of their contribution too.
Pep has done similar.
I wonder does Moyes have the enthusiasm or curiosity to learn new things at this stage
If my post sounded as I was looking down on others I apologise mate - that wasnt my intention, but I don’t take those posts seriously.
To a man, the majority of this forum thought he was brilliant 12 months ago and the right man take us forward in the future, 6 games ago we were looking at CL, people were excited and majority happy and saying the same. Now they want to rip it up and start again - we haven’t had a manager last longer then 18 months since Roberto and we know we’re this leads. If people thought he was good 12 months ago, or up to recently - now don’t - were they not wrong in the first place, if so why should they be right now.
As I said I admire lads who took the heat, when it wasn’t popular. I’m sure no ones to worried about my admiration or not.
As for me I’m ok with being wrong on the internet, I think whatever new information, is recent, we’ve had injuries to output best players, we’ve had a squad with one summer on investment for the first time in half a decade, my opinion isn’t stuck it’s just not based on recency nor reactive, I said at the start of the season expected us to be competitive for Europe - we have been - so my expectations were met - sure, we fell away, I expected growing pains, I expect more - but I believe overall in the managers work and ability to build - as I say my expectation was to be competitive for Europe.
I hope he sees it out, but I’m conflicted on his contract situation, while TFG take social media in particular quite seriously.
Blueblooded
Player Valuation: £2.5m
We had a massive opportunity to make Europe and DM completely bottled i with his (mis)management. He also made a complete mess of integrating some very expensive/talented young players into the squad. So what exactly are the upsides of retaining his services next season??
Why should we 'happily' settle for "mid-table mediocrity" when a newly-promoted team (and the 'B' teams) showed we can & should aspire to better?
His selections are lazy and unchanging. His tactics are lazy and unchanging. His pressers are thorny and less humble.
No. He didnt replace Adams. Poor really
12 months ago he pulled us away from relegation. That was the goal. People were happy
Obviously we wanted more. It looked like things were falling our way 6 weeks ago though much of that was due to under performance of other teams as much as Moyes and I think frustrations had grown.
Again the goal changed. The bar is higher and rightly so. He then proceeded to talk us down and completely sh!t the bed, reminding everyone of his ceiling while being passed out by teams that have managers that dont talk their teams down when something is achievable.
Its that simple for me. Progress demands rising expectation and I dont think he can handle it. He did his job. Compared to Brentford Bournemouth and Sunderland managers though, he was pathetic when it mattered most this season
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To be honest mate, I think most people at the start of the season said they would be happy with a year of stability. I remember being one of a few who said we should be competing for Europe.
Everyone is disappointed, Europe faded away, but if people didn’t expect it anyway is it not true that expectations have been raised…Im ok with a manager doing that.
I don’t think Moyes is perfect I’ve critiqued him in this thread and also given my reasons for backing him.
I also think people wouldn’t tolerate 17th, if we dropped experienced players and started Armstrong, Dibling, Aznou, George and Charly every week to be honest. Do I think those lads deserved more mins fir what they showed this season I think George and Armstrong did.
Systemically the club has only functioned properly for 12 months, I honestly believe it’s been chronically underfunded and that’s created limits evident everywhere - also in the first team. Those limits require change management and I believe Moyes will do it - he’s done it here before, that’s my belief.
I also believe if you give a manager a contract you let them see out that contract, unless you are in relegation trouble. I have a firm believe that every manager needs time. This club had sacked manager after manger every 12-18 months for almost a decade now and gotten closer and to the plughole every time except this time.
I don’t believe in doing it again, right now - with the plan of “just get a better manager” - that’s proven an impossible task for us previously.
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orchard
Player Valuation: £60m
Which is it mate, majority, or everyone? Quite a few wanted him out before the new season/Summer squad build/new stadium. If you meant majority, you'd be right, but maybe around 20pc wanted him thanked and ushered out back then. He was the very wrong call for what should have been a new and exciting period.
