2025/26 David Moyes

[Blueblooded]

I get it mate. But how did we get that opportunity? Nothing to do with Moyes?I'm not saying I'm right at all. I just don't think a change of manager is always the answer. Again I'm not saying I'm right. I don't know the answers. I think sometimes things just click. I'm as frustrated as anyone.

I'm happy to give Moyes credit for getting us within reach of Europe (like Palace, Forest, Brighton, Brentford, Sunderland etc. etc.) but it doesn't alter the fact that he's absolutely p!ssed it away in the latter part of the season. Of course a change of manager is always a risk, but sticking with one who has such an abysmal & defeatist attitude when there are at least two better/more progessive managers available is a no-brainer.

 

[Streetender1878]

Moyses interview in the echo and the tarkowski one tell you all you need to know. We shouldve had pens at west ham and man city. This created the attitude of our players today and we will feel like weve had a good season in a couple of weeks. Really. Weve conceded a lot of goals regular from corners all season. Weve conceded 12 goals in the last 6 games. Right when it counted. I dont think moyes ever entertained the thought of putting obrien at centreback despite the evidence that keane and tarkowski dont work together and effect how deep we have played in the last 6 matches.I dont think moyes has looked at how we defend corners in training either. He couldve put garner to right back and tried that. Thats whats killed our chances. Nothing got done when something was needed.

 

[LinekersLegs]

To be honest mate, I think most people at the start of the season said they would be happy with a year of stability. I remember being one of a few who said we should be competing for Europe.

Everyone is disappointed, Europe faded away, but if people didn’t expect it anyway is it not true that expectations have been raised…Im ok with a manager doing that.

I don’t think Moyes is perfect I’ve critiqued him in this thread and also given my reasons for backing him.

I also think people wouldn’t tolerate 17th, if we dropped experienced players and started Armstrong, Dibling, Aznou, George and Charly every week to be honest. Do I think those lads deserved more mins fir what they showed this season I think George and Armstrong did.

Systemically the club has only functioned properly for 12 months, I honestly believe it’s been chronically underfunded and that’s created limits evident everywhere - also in the first team. Those limits require change management and I believe Moyes will do it - he’s done it here before, that’s my belief.

I also believe if you give a manager a contract you let them see out that contract, unless you are in relegation trouble. I have a firm believe that every manager needs time. This club had sacked manager after manger every 12-18 months for almost a decade now and gotten closer and to the plughole every time except this time.

I don’t believe in doing it again, right now - with the plan of “just get a better manager” - that’s proven an impossible task for us previously.

Thanks for the detailed reply. I appreciate your comments about stability, I certainly have been someone who has worried about that and flicking between managers.

However I believe stability is creating a firm foundation for future growth, and practically I don’t see how we have improved that foundation given the limited minutes of any of the younger players or in continuing to play JOB at right back. Did they deserve to start every game all together? Probably not, but being brought on with 5 or 10 minutes to go (or not at all) also doesn’t really help build any future progression either. And we seemed to make bizarrely little attempt at cup runs where a couple of those players could have got a few minutes, he just chucked everyone on in Wolves cup match with little concern of how the team would adapt to so many wholesale changes and with AFCON we were predictably short handed for the the FA cup.

The tactics haven’t changed as the results have faltered and even things he historically has a good record on (coaching a solid defense) have wilted too.

Overall I feel stability has devolved over the past couple of months into stagnation and his attitude just reeks of complacency.

 

[Lanolin]

A few weeks ago I said I couldn’t advocate sacking him because he didn’t deserve it but I still hoped we’d look to go in a different direction. The end of the season has been absolutely pathetic though and I think sacking him would be entirely justified now. He can try and gaslight all he wants but finishing 13th is an absolutely shocking return and is no less than we deserve. One day this club will start to look forward, I really hope it’s sooner rather than later.

 

[maccavennie]

Because no matter what happens now , these owners and board know they can always remind us of nearly being relegated and to be grateful for being here.

The CEO mentioning that we weren't looking over our shoulders at christmas time told us all where these tits think our place is.

Shocking mentality

 

[WilliamBoo]

Right now, with him as head coach , we can imagine the future easily.
No matter about hiring players . It's his mentality.
And I think he feels pleasure about WH relegation

 

[Neiler]

Thanks for the detailed reply. I appreciate your comments about stability, I certainly have been someone who has worried about that and flicking between managers.

However I believe stability is creating a firm foundation for future growth, and practically I don’t see how we have improved that foundation given the limited minutes of any of the younger players or in continuing to play JOB at right back. Did they deserve to start every game all together? Probably not, but being brought on with 5 or 10 minutes to go (or not at all) also doesn’t really help build any future progression either. And we seemed to make bizarrely little attempt at cup runs where a couple of those players could have got a few minutes, he just chucked everyone on in Wolves cup match with little concern of how the team would adapt to so many wholesale changes and with AFCON we were predictably short handed for the the FA cup.

The tactics haven’t changed as the results have faltered and even things he historically has a good record on (coaching a solid defense) have wilted too.

Overall I feel stability has devolved over the past couple of months into stagnation and his attitude just reeks of complacency.

But up to 6 games ago, we were in with a shout of the CL and the majority bar the core dissenters I mentioned were pleased to be competing for Europe.

Is a six game run of poor form enough of a sample - with two of your best and best payed players out injured - enough of a sample to fundamentally rip up the existing fabric and systems at the club, while it’s year 1 into recovery, I’m clearly suggesting not.

Moyes isn’t perfect and I’ve critiqued him here particularly in terms of fatiuqe management of the squad. But I also think he’s improved many of our players, Garner in now a 100k week player and worth it, JOB is a PL defender, Beto scores goals, KDH has improved here.

All of the young players and I include Rohl in this look undercooked, should they have played more - maybe - but up to last week we still had a chance of Europe - so obviously results take priority.

We’ve been here so many times before, hit reset and the cycle starts again every 12-18 months. It ends right here with the popular sentiment being expressed today - hit the reset and start again.

But look agree to differ mate, the sentiment of popular opinion is elsewhere and look everyone’s entitled to their opinion! No desire to spend the summer heading down rabbit holes, but have to much respect for you not to reply to your points!

 

[larrygobfiend]

Let himself down over the past 6 weeks.

Really thought he was steering us in the right direction, but I’m not convinced now.

George, Alcaraz, Armstrong etc, could’ve all been used more and O’Brien should’ve played in the middle. KDB and Illy have been dying on their arse.

 

[degsy]

Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Moyes, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Moyes.
The noble @davek
Hath told you Moyes was unambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault...etc, etc.

Taxi!

 

[preposterousvelios]

Is a six game run of poor form enough of a sample - with two of your best and best payed best players out injured over that enough of a sample to fundamentally rip up the existing fabric and systems at the club, while it’s year 1 into recovery, I’m clearly suggesting not.

Not really accurate to call it a 6 week run of poor form. Since new years we've played 18 games and won 5. That's almost half the season.

 

[Ray Atteveld's Kit]

Thanks for the detailed reply. I appreciate your comments about stability, I certainly have been someone who has worried about that and flicking between managers.

However I believe stability is creating a firm foundation for future growth, and practically I don’t see how we have improved that foundation given the limited minutes of any of the younger players or in continuing to play JOB at right back. Did they deserve to start every game all together? Probably not, but being brought on with 5 or 10 minutes to go (or not at all) also doesn’t really help build any future progression either. And we seemed to make bizarrely little attempt at cup runs where a couple of those players could have got a few minutes, he just chucked everyone on in Wolves cup match with little concern of how the team would adapt to so many wholesale changes and with AFCON we were predictably short handed for the the FA cup.

The tactics haven’t changed as the results have faltered and even things he historically has a good record on (coaching a solid defense) have wilted too.

Overall I feel stability has devolved over the past couple of months into stagnation and his attitude just reeks of complacency.

Great summation, for me the fact he’s the 5th highest paid manager but cannot make effective in game tactical tweaks is mind boggling. This allows with his chronic inability to trust and it seems coach our young players is reason enough to make a change.
If he was 20 years younger and this was his first go around then you could make the argument to give him time; as it is, we all know his limitations and won’t overcome them now.

 

[degsy]

And a specialist set piece coach, we seriously need one.
Appointing new assistants was definitely a big part of Fergie's success and he made no secret of their contribution too.
Pep has done similar.
I wonder does Moyes have the enthusiasm or curiosity to learn new things at this stage

He didn't 15yrs ago so there's not much chance of it happening now

 

[degsy]

I appreciate I’m going against popular opinion and I won’t win a debate tonight or over the summer mate.

I appreciate people have the opposite view now - but I admire those who took dogs abuse for having an anti view on Moyes when it wasn’t popular to. I’ll take dogs for supporting him now and I’m alright with that.

Right now I believe in Moyes and I also believe change is wrong for the club right now - I explained my reasons for that to @LinekersLegs above. I’m happy enough to be wrong - but I believe what I believe and have conviction in it.

Apologies again I didn’t mean to be patronising, reading back I can understand I chose my words poorly. But also wanted to give you the respect of a reply.

I’ll leave it there, we’l agree to differ and I’ll bow out as I’ll just annoy people right now and I’m not going to reply to everyone’s posts. But at the same time to, I didn’t want to go missing as a Moyes supporter, just because popular opinion swayed.

Moyes  might be able build a foundation - a floor if you will - but in doing so he always lowers the Ceiling.

 

[LinekersLegs]

But up to 6 games ago, we were in with a shout of the CL and the majority bar the core dissenters I mentioned were pleased to be competing for Europe.

Is a six game run of poor form enough of a sample - with two of your best and best payed best players out injured over that enough of a sample to fundamentally rip up the existing fabric and systems at the club, while it’s year 1 into recovery, I’m clearly suggesting not.

Moyes isn’t perfect and I’ve critiqued him here particularly in terms of fatiuqe management of the squad. But I also think he’s improved many of our players, Garner in now a 100k week player and worth it, JOB is a PL defender, Beto scores goals, KDH has improved here.

All of the young players and I include Rohl in this look undercooked, should they have played more - maybe - but up to last week we still had a chance of Europe - so obviously results take priority.

We’ve been here so many times before, hit reset and the cycle starts again every 12-18 months. It ends right here with the popular sentiment being expressed today.

But look agree to differ mate, the sentiment of popular opinion is elsewhere and look everyone’s entitled to their opinion! No desire to spend the summer heading rabbit holes, but have to much respect for you not to reply to your points!

As you say say we’ll agree to disagree, particularly as I sincerely hope you are the one with the correct opinion as I expect to see him start the season as manager!

Here is to me being vaulted

 

[degsy]

Moyses interview in the echo and the tarkowski one tell you all you need to know. We shouldve had pens at west ham and man city. This created the attitude of our players today and we will feel like weve had a good season in a couple of weeks. Really. Weve conceded a lot of goals regular from corners all season. Weve conceded 12 goals in the last 6 games. Right when it counted. I dont think moyes ever entertained the thought of putting obrien at centreback despite the evidence that keane and tarkowski dont work together and effect how deep we have played in the last 6 matches.I dont think moyes has looked at how we defend corners in training either. He couldve put garner to right back and tried that. Thats whats killed our chances. Nothing got done when something was needed.

Just sayin like, but are any of our defensive frailties due to having to 'drop' Gana for 'administrative/contractual' reasons
eg. we'd have to give him an extension