2025/26 David Moyes

[windymiller]

I'll meet you in the middle, has there been a coherent plan away?

How did you know who would and would not work out at the beginning of the season? that drum you've been banging*.

young players not involved? Moyes blooded JOB, and Tim Iroegbunam and more recently Rohl. Also brought Armstrong back from Preston then hasn't used him a lot. We've moved forwards from last season, do you accept that we were in the running for a euro place with 3 games to go?

Sure, we've played pretty well on the counter attack away from home. Until recently.

Nobody knows for sure who's going to be a good signing, some are less of a risk than others, but all signings are a risk.

I don't really consider JOB to be a "young player", he's 25 years old, not 21. Iroegbunam and Rohl are younger but neither are really first team regulars, Rohl for example has had five starts. Despite playing very well against Villa he was dropped for no apparent reason. You claim we've moved on from last season but are very likely to end up in basically the exact same spot both in terms of final position and points. A good run, which left us on the brink of Europe as you point out, is only worth something if it can be sustained, but it wasn't.

I get it, you like Moyes. I don't. I haven't for a long time. What we both want is Everton to be better. I just don't think we have, or will, get significantly better under Moyes. There's essentially no objective evidence to support that we will.

 

[windymiller]

Moyes was manager at flamenco juve and saints? all at the same time? Superman.

Now who's making silly arguments?

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

We are a mid table nothing club
With a suitably mid table nothing manager.
It appears that once again we are saddled with mid table nothing ownership
If nothing changes all we have to look forward to is another low key grind through another season of unremitting nothingness.
The only thing that alters is it costs more money to be disappointed in flashier surroundings.
The home record this season was appalling.

 

[Toffeepot]

That’s a fair point mate…but I think it was a minority who just weren’t having him regardless. Overall though in his time back 2.0 his stock has been high.

If I’m critiquing the season personally it’s two periods for two different reasons that have been defining, 1. The Xmas/New Year period, were we played poor teams didn’t beat them and the squad was really exposed for the lack of quality and depth - I put that down to under investment over many years.

The second is this period from March to now I feel again we have been exposed by à la k of depth and quality. I’m a huge Moyes fan boy - but I’d critique him using some players too much and not managing mins, fatiuqe and freshness. I honestly feel he’s making a point internally at the club, in terms of recruitment - whether that’s right ir wrong - we’ve over used players and they are goosed.

The margins are fine, there are many games we were lucky to win - especially away, there were some games recently we’ve been unlucky not to get a result, I feel fatiuqe and over use if players has been part of that, but I feel like it’s a limited squad also and is it overall better then we’re are not so sure, to say Dibling or Aznou - make the difference - not this season in my opinion.

Overall I still feel we are limited and depth is poor, we’ve been found out twice over Xmas/New Year and this period when players are tired and probably over used - we’ve missed our two highest quality players to in Branthwaite and Grealish most of the season.

Is Moyes faultless in all of this - no, is a lot of it his doing, not for me we have clear limited, is he getting the most out of what we have - I think he is, but I still were very unbalanced, limited and un recovery mode.

How can you say he is getting the most out of what we have when you look at the results with Patterson RB v Jake? Or the awful stats with Tarky and Keane together but he sticks with it?
Playing Mcneil despite poor performances and would have left the club in January.
He's ignoring the stats to go with favourites it seems to me.
Too much of it makes no sense and now we've missed a golden opportunity.

 

[Blue peter]

Small club mentality at the moment us, sad.

Some of the supporter base as well unfortunately.

 

[Username.]

Some of the supporter base as well unfortunately.

Most definitely.

 

[Neiler]

Genuinely though but why? I don't know how old you are, but he was the manager when I first got my season ticket so I'm of the age where he's been there most of my Everton life.

Im curious why you'd be a huge fan boy? What's he ever done to deserve that kind of adulation?

I’m old enough to remember before he came 1.0 mate, years of penniless absolutely dirge, we weee heading for drain - similar to his starting point 2.0.

I watched him build this club back up, raise standards, build a positive culture, buy and develop wonderful players, bring us to Europe, compete in Cup,finals and be a club the best young players wanted to go to - he rebuilt the club.

That is what I feel is needed again.

I also believe Personally, that managers need time, not just here everywhere, I think you are urinating in a breezy day if you don’t give a manager Kessler then three years, especially at a club like this that can’t competed financially with the wealthiest in the league. You have to build.

This club and the current situation - even the structure - don’t need a coach, they need a manager to build.

All of the things I think the job requires - I’ve seen Moyes do before.

 

[jceverton]

Glasner's first full season won Palace's first ever trophy, second full season he's in the final of the Europa conference. In between he had Palace's longest undefeated run. Iraola has transformed Bournemouth and is on the verge of getting champions league. But sure let's keep Moyes because of . . . stability and f*** winning a trophy.

 

[Toffeepot]

Results are going backwards at an alarming rate is the problem:

Moyes
24/25 H2 19 games 31 points ppg 1.63
25/26 H1 19 games 28 points ppg 1.47
25/26 H2 18 games 21 points ppg 1.17 (1 game remaining)

You would hope we would actually be improving after the spend, loans & additional coaching.

The last half season he is now running below Dyches ppg over the 23/24 season of 1.26.

It's clear regression over three big enough sample sizes. I doubt Friedkin would accept that from a sales manager at Toyota

 

[Blue peter]

Results are going backwards at an alarming rate is the problem:

Moyes
24/25 H2 19 games 31 points ppg 1.63
25/26 H1 19 games 28 points ppg 1.47
25/26 H2 18 games 21 points ppg 1.17 (1 game remaining)

You would hope we would actually be improving after the spend, loans & additional coaching.

The last half season he is now running below Dyches ppg over the 23/24 season of 1.26.

But according to some that’s progress. They must have struggled at GCSE maths

 

[Rita_Poon]

Now who's making silly arguments?

we are

 

[Blue peter]

Kinnear needs to sling his hook as well. What a naive statement to put out with two games of the season left and no real demonstrable process. Looks like a poor appointment.

 

[Neiler]

How can you say he is getting the most out of what we have when you look at the results with Patterson RB v Jake? Or the awful stats with Tarky and Keane together but he sticks with it?
Playing Mcneil despite poor performances and would have left the club in January.
He's ignoring the stats to go with favourites it seems to me.
Too much of it makes no sense and now we've missed a golden opportunity.

I think it points to the limits of the squad mate, every manager who’s been here hasn’t rated Patterson - we all watch him he’s poor. It points to unbalance and limits I talk about. We sign a viable right back, Jake moves across. I think it’s more the underinvestment in the club and prioritising what we couldd do last summer as opposed to Moyes saying, I really want to play Jake right full and that impacts elsewhere.

He plays McNeill let’s be honest because the full backs are muck and they need support, it’s why he’s played Armstrong and Rohl in roles at times to.

Outdo he have managed the squad better in terms of freshness - I think it’s fair to say he could, we’ve dogged Illy, Idrissa, JT and KDH - it’s showing. But I also think the squad is still very unbalanced and limited and he is making ends meet.

Do I trust Patterson or Aznou to start games I probably don’t to be honest. Dibling I really like, but has he earned a place in the team with the mins he has had - probably not.

I don’t think Patterson is the answer mate, he’s poor.

 

[jceverton]

I’m older to remember before he came 1.0, years of penniless absolutely dirge, we weee heading for drain - similar to his starting point 2.0.

I watched him build this club back up, raise standards, build a positive culture, buy and develop wonderful players, bring us to Europe, compete in Cup,finals and be a club the best young players wanted to go to - he rebuilt the club.

That is what I feel is needed again.

I also believe Personally, that managers need time, not just here everywhere, I think you are urinating in a breezy day if you don’t give a manager Kessler then three years, especially at a club like this that can’t competed financially with the wealthiest in the league. You have to build.

This club and the current situation - even the structure - don’t need a coach, they need a manager to build.

All of the things I think the job requires - I’ve seen Moyes do before.

Yeah apart from actually winning something! If that period shows us anything it's that the guy can stabilise a club but then he can't progress into winning anything or challenging for the league. We're stable now we don't need him blowing 100's millions like he did at West Ham.

 

[Bally1989]

What are the odds he plays the same team again?