still no actual argument.
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Yea
Some of those new signings might get a few games for a change
We've been consistently performing well below Moyes last season performance. We are at 1.32PPG now and we were roughly at that after half of the season had been played. The little run we went on that culminated with the Chelsea home win is the outlier. We are heading for Moyes 2nd worse league performance at Everton. If you waste £100m in the summer and your league performance goes backwards then keeping the manager on is what's irrational not sacking him.
everton1953
Player Valuation: £40m
Patience for what though? What do you think Moyes can achieve when he plays a defence that doesnt work but contains his favourites, doesnt give new signings a sniff, is terrible and predictable in his subs and leaves players who are clearly flagging on the pitch?
I was on the fence until Europe was gone but yesterday's game really brought home the collapse since March. The manner of it especially. He said at HT 'keep doing what you are doing'. What? We were awful first half and lucky to be ahead. A collapse that there is no excuse for and most likely caused by Moyes' mismanagement of the squad and inability to motivate at key moments.
When he came in he motivated us away from relegation rapidly because he genuinely and rightly believes Everton should not be in that conversation. But when it came to being in the conversation for Europe he talked us down a lot.
I think that's pretty telling, and as the Moyes out crowd have been saying for a while this is his ceiling and it looks to me now that they have a point. That collapse all points to him for me.
What do you see happening through patience?
JLW
Player Valuation: £70m
No mate, we don't want to do that its dangerous out there we might get hurt, we need to keep safe and warm with our Davey Moyes Cardigan on, a little bovril and the doors locked.
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Blueblooded
Player Valuation: £2.5m
As a club what do we really want then? Because another season of Moyes-ball isn't it for me. And why is he a "good fit" for our club when he talks us down all the time, bigs up other teams, throws his own young/unfavoured players under the bus, seems to have no ambition beyond talking about it, has v. poor game management and isn't contracted beyond next season. If he had the club's best interests at heart he'd accept a golden-handshake type goodbye this summer. But he won't.
JLW
Player Valuation: £70m
Instilled decades ago by our current manager!
Not just him but his fatheaded mate also
That’s a fair point mate…but I think it was a minority who just weren’t having him regardless. Overall though in his time back 2.0 his stock has been high.
If I’m critiquing the season personally it’s two periods for two different reasons that have been defining, 1. The Xmas/New Year period, were we played poor teams didn’t beat them and the squad was really exposed for the lack of quality and depth - I put that down to under investment over many years.
The second is this period from March to now I feel again we have been exposed by à la k of depth and quality. I’m a huge Moyes fan boy - but I’d critique him using some players too much and not managing mins, fatiuqe and freshness. I honestly feel he’s making a point internally at the club, in terms of recruitment - whether that’s right ir wrong - we’ve over used players and they are goosed.
The margins are fine, there are many games we were lucky to win - especially away, there were some games recently we’ve been unlucky not to get a result, I feel fatiuqe and over use if players has been part of that, but I feel like it’s a limited squad also and is it overall better then we’re are not so sure, to say Dibling or Aznou - make the difference - not this season in my opinion.
Overall I still feel we are limited and depth is poor, we’ve been found out twice over Xmas/New Year and this period when players are tired and probably over used - we’ve missed our two highest quality players to in Branthwaite and Grealish most of the season.
Is Moyes faultless in all of this - no, is a lot of it his doing, not for me we have clear limited, is he getting the most out of what we have - I think he is, but I still were very unbalanced, limited and un recovery mode.
Genuinely though but why? I don't know how old you are, but he was the manager when I first got my season ticket so I'm of the age where he's been there most of my Everton life.
Im curious why you'd be a huge fan boy? What's he ever done to deserve that kind of adulation?
Bluepablo
Player Valuation: £8m
Results are going backwards at an alarming rate is the problem:
Moyes
24/25 H2 19 games 31 points ppg 1.63
25/26 H1 19 games 28 points ppg 1.47
25/26 H2 18 games 21 points ppg 1.17 (1 game remaining)
You would hope we would actually be improving after the spend, loans & additional coaching.
The last half season he is now running below Dyches ppg over the 23/24 season of 1.26.
