2025/26 David Moyes

[Neiler]

Yeah apart from actually winning something! If that period shows us anything it's that the guy can stabilise a club but then he can't progress into winning anything or challenging for the league. We're stable now we don't need him blowing 100's millions like he did at West Ham.

There is a debate to be had whether Moyes limited us 1.0 or we couldn’t provide him with the means to do more then he did.

Certainly at the time we all wanted the club to give him more resources to progress mate.

 

[jceverton]

What are the odds he plays the same team again?

High

 

[Toffeepot]

I think it points to the limits of the squad mate, every manager who’s been here hasn’t rated Patterson - we all watch him he’s poor. It points to unbalance and limits I talk about. We sign a viable right bs k, Jake moves across. I think it’s more the underinvestment in the club and prioritising what we coukd do last summer as opposed to Moyes saying, I really want to play Jake right full and that impacts elsewhere.

He plays McNeill let’s be honest because the full backs are muck and 5ey need support, it’s why he’s played Armstrong and Rohl in roles at times to.

Outdo he have managed the squad better in terms of freshness - I think it’s fair to say he could, we’ve dogged Illy, Idrissa, JT and KDH - it’s showing. But I also think the squad is still very unbalanced and limited and he is making ends meet.

Do I trust Patterson or Aznou to start games I probably don’t to be honest. Dibling I really like, but has he earned a place in the team with the mins he has had - probably not.

I don’t think Patterson is the answer mate, he’s poor.

I agree that Patterson isnt great but when put in the context of Tarky and Keane stinking the place out and our results being better when Patterson did play, it clearly shows that Moyes is not getting the best out of what we have, however limited the squad is

 

[Neiler]

I agree that Patterson isnt great but when put in the context of Tarky and Keane stinking the place out and our results being better when Patterson did play, it clearly shows that Moyes is not getting the best out of what we have, however limited the squad is

But the alternative is always better than the decision in hindsight mate.

I think if Patterson played the entire season even with Jake moving g across for Keane then I think we have less points over all in the season.

Patterson isn’t great mate.

 

[jceverton]

There is a debate to be had whether Moyes limited us 1.0 or we couldn’t provide him with the means to do more then he did.

Certainly at the time we all wanted the club to give him more mate.

There's no real debate though. His career speaks for itself. He's never shown that he can consistently outperform and win trophies with any club he's been at. He took over Man Utd and was a complete disaster. Whenever he's had money he's generally wasted it. He's always been better with little money.

 

[Toffeepot]

But the alternative is always better than the decision in hindsight mate.

I think if Patterson played the entire season even with Jake moving g across for Keane then I think we have less points over all in the season.

Patterson isn’t great mate.

The alternative being better in hindsight means the alternative should be tried again. Moyes didnt do that and based on goals conceded when tarky and Keane play together I doubt very much if we'd be worse off.
I know Patterson isnt great, I've agreed with that, but once Branthwaite got injured Jake should've moved to CB.
Sticking with a leaking defence clearly shows Moyes not getting the best out of the squad when the alternative has already done a good job.
You might be a fan of Moyes and thats fine, I think he genuinely cares, but he's obviously limited and you surely have to admit he's got a stubborn streak? Its on full display this season in many areas

 

[Blueblooded]

I’m older to remember before he came 1.0, years of penniless absolutely dirge, we weee heading for drain - similar to his starting point 2.0.

I watched him build this club back up, raise standards, build a positive culture, buy and develop wonderful players, bring us to Europe, compete in Cup,finals and be a club the best young players wanted to go to - he rebuilt the club.

That is what I feel is needed again.

I also believe Personally, that managers need time, not just here everywhere, I think you are urinating in a breezy day if you don’t give a manager Kessler then three years, especially at a club like this that can’t competed financially with the wealthiest in the league. You have to build.

This club and the current situation - even the structure - don’t need a coach, they need a manager to build.

All of the things I think the job requires - I’ve seen Moyes do before.

I sort-of get why you support Moyes from what you've experienced as a fan in your lifetime. But some of us have had the good fortune to experience the brilliant times before the bad times which came before Moyes's 1st stint - so we have higher ambitions. We can't keep settling for stability/mid-table mediocrity while virtually every team around us has won or been in the running for a European place/trophy.

Just look at our gobsh*te neighbours: likely to be in the Champions League again yet clamouring to sack a title-winning manager. I love ridiculing them as much as any blue, but it's pathetic how supine and risk-averse some of our fanbase is.

 

[Toffeepot]

It all so disappointing isn't it!?

After Chelsea I was getting excited about possible CL.
Couple weeks later it was Europa and still exciting
Two games ago I resigned myself to a likely Conference league spot but would love it anyway. I didnt think it possible for us to piss that up the wall.
He might have got us within sight of these but the blame has to fall in his shoulders. There are teams with busier schedules out performing us for weeks now and not all have big squads either

 

[Neiler]

I sort-of get why you support Moyes from what you've experienced as a fan in your lifetime. But some of us have had the good fortune to experience the brilliant times before the bad times which came before Moyes's 1st stint - so we have higher ambitions. We can't keep settling for stability/mid-table mediocrity while virtually every team around us has won or been in the running for a European place/trophy.

Just look at our gobsh*te neighbours: likely to be in the Champions League again yet clamouring to sack a title-winning manager. I love ridiculing them as much as any blue, but it's pathetic how supine and risk-averse some of our fanbase is.

Ive seen us win trophies mate. I dont accept the arguement to be honest. When we were winning titles we were able to compete with the richest clubs.

We cant anymore - football has changed and so has our place in the game as much a people don't want to hear or maybe believe it, we aren't going to appoint manager who is going to win us the PL in a season or even two. Thats not being unambitious or risk adverse - its an accurate assessment of what we need to plan for to get out of a decades dug hole.

Its going to take incremental progress, first achieving Europe to give a broad base to compete domestically.

Ambitition without a plan is just hope.

Sacking managers, since well Moyes has just seen us get progressively worse - what do people think will change this time. We;ve disimproved from every manager since Moyes and were awful before him. Maybe hes a good one, just a thouhjt.

Seems the plan is just - just appoint a better manager - we are the poster boy of that - not being that simple since he left the first time. People are just hoping we do it better next time mate.

 

[The Littlest Yobo]

I’m old enough to remember before he came 1.0 mate, years of penniless absolutely dirge, we weee heading for drain - similar to his starting point 2.0.

I watched him build this club back up, raise standards, build a positive culture, buy and develop wonderful players, bring us to Europe, compete in Cup,finals and be a club the best young players wanted to go to - he rebuilt the club.

That is what I feel is needed again.

I also believe Personally, that managers need time, not just here everywhere, I think you are urinating in a breezy day if you don’t give a manager Kessler then three years, especially at a club like this that can’t competed financially with the wealthiest in the league. You have to build.

This club and the current situation - even the structure - don’t need a coach, they need a manager to build.

All of the things I think the job requires - I’ve seen Moyes do before.

It’s “cup final”, not “cup finals”. Singular. He got to 1 with us in what is coming up to about 13 years in charge in total across two spells. One of only two Cup Finals he’s been to in his entire 28 year managerial career.

And why would the “best young players” want to sign for someone who is likely to bench them and fail to develop/integrate them when they could go somewhere else who actually give young players a chance?

 

[Bluepablo]

I think it points to the limits of the squad mate, every manager who’s been here hasn’t rated Patterson - we all watch him he’s poor. It points to unbalance and limits I talk about. We sign a viable right back, Jake moves across. I think it’s more the underinvestment in the club and prioritising what we couldd do last summer as opposed to Moyes saying, I really want to play Jake right full and that impacts elsewhere.

He plays McNeill let’s be honest because the full backs are muck and they need support, it’s why he’s played Armstrong and Rohl in roles at times to.

Outdo he have managed the squad better in terms of freshness - I think it’s fair to say he could, we’ve dogged Illy, Idrissa, JT and KDH - it’s showing. But I also think the squad is still very unbalanced and limited and he is making ends meet.

Do I trust Patterson or Aznou to start games I probably don’t to be honest. Dibling I really like, but has he earned a place in the team with the mins he has had - probably not.

I don’t think Patterson is the answer mate, he’s poor.

Then why he didn’t he sell Patterson last Summer or in January & use the proceeds to at least loan a full back. I believe it’s documented that Moyes vetoed the full backs Thelwell lined up & those recommended by the ‘committee’. It appears so incoherent bordering on incompetent.

 

[matty1878]

Then why he didn’t he sell Patterson last Summer or in January & use the proceeds to at least loan a full back. I believe it’s documented that Moyes vetoed the full backs Thelwell lined up & those recommended by the ‘committee’. It appears so incoherent bordering on incompetent.

You can’t sell what nobody wants to buy?

 

[blue to the bone]

Chat Gpt is busy tonight .

 

[Toffeepot]

Ive seen us win trophies mate. I dont accept the arguement to be honest. When we were winning titles we were able to compete with the richest clubs.

We cant anymore - football has changed and so has our place in the game as much a people don't want to hear or maybe believe it, we aren't going to appoint manager who is going to win us the PL in a season or even two. Thats not being unambitious or risk adverse - its an accurate assessment of what we need to plan for to get out of a decades dug hole.

Its going to take incremental progress, first achieving Europe to give a broad base to compete domestically.

Ambitition without a plan is just hope.

Sacking managers, since well Moyes has just seen us get progressively worse - what do people think will change this time. We;ve disimproved from every manager since Moyes and were awful before him. Maybe hes a good one, just a thouhjt.

Seems the plan is just - just appoint a better manager - we are the poster boy of that - not being that simple since he left the first time. People are just hoping we do it better next time mate.

For sure people are hoping we do it better this time and there are currently a few talented managers up for grabs.
We've got progressively worse in half season blocks under Moyes. Does that not bother you?
I dont think anybody expects us to just win the league straight away with a new manager but why are you so easily dismissing his failure to secure a European spot this year when it was harder to not get it after Chelsea? Thats one of the incremental steps right? If we just miss out next season would you move on from him?

 

[Neiler]

It’s “cup final”, not “cup finals”. Singular. He got to 1 with us in what is coming up to about 13 years in charge in total across two spells. One of only two Cup Finals he’s been to in his entire 28 year managerial career.

And why would the “best young players” want to sign for someone who is likely to bench them and fail to develop/integrate them when they could go somewhere else who actually give young players a chance?

How many have we been in since he left mate?

Honestly, because if you meet a standard you will be given a chance, we've seen it before, Vaughan, Vic, Gosling, Rooney, Stones, Barkley - we will see it with Dibling, when he hits a standard - he will be in - if he doesn't he wont - i don't have an issue with that personally. Harrison Armstrong illustrates that point this season in my opinion.