2025/26 David Moyes

[Efcjake]

I always think Net spend is a better illustration.

I mean, if we spent £100m this summer, but sold Ndiaye and Branthwaite for £120m, I woudn't be saying we spent £100m.

With that;

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[Edit] The above doesn't include Rohl obligation at £18-20m

The problem with this analysis is it assumes we had a similar level of net spend happening outside of last summer when in reality that was the first positive net spend for five years.

Looking at one window and ignoring how the squad was already ransacked and starved of reinvestment ignores all of that important context, especially when this being used to propose we should be competitive against teams we had a higher net spend than last year while selectively ignoring the fact they all had higher net spends than us for the four years previous.

When you actually look at the last five years we are 18th for net spend.

18) Everton five-year net spend: £-12.13m
25/26: £-101.87m
24/25: £28.17m (13th)
23/24: £36.23m (15th)
22/23: £21.7m (17th)
21/22: £5.56m (16th)

Man City leapfrog Liverpool in net spend table with January splurge

Forget the league table, it's all about the Premier League net spend table. And neither Man City nor Liverpool are in top five.

www.football365.com

Though I bet none of you would be happy with us finishing 18th.

 

[Efcjake]

But we are criticising the recruitment department pal? Moyes heads up recruitment, he is the figure head and so the lightning rod for criticism, that doesn't mean people think he's literally the sole reason for the issue. You don't think Thelwell was handpicking all the players we signed himself do you? He was the one who signed off on them so he generally got the praise or criticism depending on how it went, that's always going to be how it goes. We don't have threads for every scout, we're fans talking in general terms here not headhunters going into the finer details of who was responsible for what.

And yet that's exactly what plenty on here are saying.

 

[Efcjake]

But we are criticising the recruitment department pal? Moyes heads up recruitment, he is the figure head and so the lightning rod for criticism, that doesn't mean people think he's literally the sole reason for the issue. You don't think Thelwell was handpicking all the players we signed himself do you? He was the one who signed off on them so he generally got the praise or criticism depending on how it went, that's always going to be how it goes. We don't have threads for every scout, we're fans talking in general terms here not headhunters going into the finer details of who was responsible for what.

Thelwell had the authority and responsibility to shape the recruitment department as he saw fit. Moyes doesn't have that.

Moyes is a client of their work. He isn't their boss, that's Angus Kinnear who hand picked all of the people running that department and process.

 

[Mr Mig]

Moyes is what happened as a direct result of us pulling the trigger mid-season last time. We aren't going down and we aren't getting Europe. Let him coast to the end of the season and open up the managerial possibilities in the Summer.

Again…..very meh thinking. Why wait? Lets try something new now

 

[Nyhus]

Literally nobody has suggested they're expecting that as far as i'm aware, certainly not me or the post you were originally replying to which prompted this conversation, so that's a very odd reply to be honest. The point was just that I agree with the poster you replied to who was saying that people will lose interest if we continue to be a dull negative side. I've had a season ticket for 30 years and i'm very seriously considering giving it up at the end of the year because the combination of midweek games and really poor football has just made it a bit too much of a chore this year. I'm about as die hard a fan as you'll get and have travelled all over watching them despite us not having won a trophy since I was at primary school, if i'm saying i'm getting to that point I can assure you that many others will be too.

Then i question what the promised land of new owners and a new stadium was going to bring according to you. If improved results and league position isnt a part of it, what is?

 

[Efcjake]

Let me just post that one more time for everyone moaning we got countered 1-0 by the team with the highest net spend the last five years.

 

[Mr Mig]

Moyes is what happened as a direct result of us pulling the trigger mid-season last time. We aren't going down and we aren't getting Europe. Let him coast to the end of the season and open up the managerial possibilities in the Summer.

Again…..very meh thinking. Why wait? Lets try something new…..now

 

[Curtis]

Who put me straight about our spending? You? I must have missed that post pal.

We spent the 13th highest amount last summer. We spent 100 million and so did 12 other teams who spent more than us.

Oh and we currently are performing better than last season. Maybe he isn't outperforming the half season when he took over but he has improved our league position.

I don't think Moyes deserves all of the criticism for how poorly it was spent. Questions should be asked of the scouts and analysts who put these players before Moyes to choose from.

If the manager was someone other than Moyes we would be questioning the recruitment department just like we have for the last decade when we operated under directors of football.

Where are you getting we the spent the 13th highest this summer window?

 

[Lanolin]

And yet that's exactly what plenty on here are saying.

I don't think they are though, for the reasons i've just outlined. We talk about the money Steve Walsh wasted but nobody really thinks he was out there individually scouting these players do they? He gets the blame because he was at the top of the chain, Moyes gets the blame now for the same reason. As I said, we're just fans talking about things at the level we get to see, if we knew who the individual scouts were we'd be discussing them, but we don't so we discuss their boss. This has always been the way it's worked, for pretty obvious reasons.

 

[RD2910]

Again…..very meh thinking. Why wait? Lets try something new now

Are potential managers going to be swayed by the club sacking the current manager seemingly on a whim?

 

[smileychap]

Of course they weren't his first choices, he's managing Everton not Real Madrid. I don't see what your point is with this, we still spent the money, so either Moyes made good choices or he made bad ones. If we've pissed £100m up the wall we can't just say ah well you didn't give me enough good choices, that's ridiculous.

Yeah, this is kinda how I see it: TFG/MOYES made bad choices last summer, in the wrong areas of the pitch for lots of money.

Then calling in lads on loan, to cover eeuurrgh.

Even this I could live with, but then we have to listen to Moyes demeaning press twaddle, and watch nothing football, all because he also kacks tactical nuance to fix things too.

Three things in his favour:

- his first stint and last season
- the perseverance of a lot of decent Everton fans
- he has rarely lost a dressing room, the guys are trying...

I'm still desperately hopeful that the merry go round of inconsistent form elsewhere leaves us in sniffing distance of Europe come end Match and he grows a pair and 'has a right go' with our fringe/new lads giving it some for much of that.

Otherwise he's wasted a season and a tonne of money .

 

[Efcjake]

Where are you getting we the spent the 13th highest this summer window? View attachment 344728

Well you take that Spent column and you organize it from highest to lowest and we are 13th.

 

[Joey66]

Yes, we have all heard Moyes has final say.

Final say over what? Over the very limited pool of players the scouts and analysts agreed on who were willing to sign for us last season.

Let's not make out like he was given 100 million and could sign any player in the world and these were HIS choices. That's how this keeps being framed and it's not realistic at all.

If the pool of players to pick from was filled with crap then it's not a surprise that the players we picked from it were crap.

It's massively obvious that he pushed for KDH and Grealish. The others were second, third or even lower down the list.

We went through about three or four wingers before signing Dibling. Tried for two other strikers before resorting to Barry. These were not his first choices lads.

No need to panic buy though ?

 

[Efcjake]

I don't think they are though, for the reasons i've just outlined. We talk about the money Steve Walsh wasted but nobody really thinks he was out there individually scouting these players do they? He gets the blame because he was at the top of the chain, Moyes gets the blame now for the same reason. As I said, we're just fans talking about things at the level we get to see, if we knew who the individual scouts were we'd be discussing them, but we don't so we discuss their boss. This has always been the way it's worked, for pretty obvious reasons.

Well you can think that but there are plenty saying Moyes is to blame for every signing and every penny spent.

Steve Walsh was scouting players, yes mate.

Steve Walsh, just like the DOFs after him, had the authority and responsibility to hire and fire staff in the recruitment department. Moyes does not.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

The problem with this analysis is it assumes we had a similar level of net spend happening outside of last summer when in reality that was the first positive net spend for five years.

Looking at one window and ignoring how the squad was already ransacked and starved of reinvestment ignores all of that important context, especially when this being used to propose we should be competitive against teams we had a higher net spend than last year while selectively ignoring the fact they all had higher net spends than us for the four years previous.

When you actually look at the last five years we are 18th for net spend.

18) Everton five-year net spend: £-12.13m
25/26: £-101.87m
24/25: £28.17m (13th)
23/24: £36.23m (15th)
22/23: £21.7m (17th)
21/22: £5.56m (16th)

Man City leapfrog Liverpool in net spend table with January splurge

Forget the league table, it's all about the Premier League net spend table. And neither Man City nor Liverpool are in top five.

www.football365.com

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Though I bet none of you would be happy with us finishing 18th.

Aye know that well, it was an argument I'd routinely make in Dyche's favour to be fair.

He joined a team on the brink, an had to make money every window. And not just that, sell big, before we could even consider beginning to buy.

If we had to make money last summer as we did every window for 5 years or so before it, I'd be Moyes' biggest advocate on here.

But with spend, comes increased expectation. We spend a club record amount in the summer, and while it's a good point to say other teams spent, and net spend over 5+ years, the point still remains that we spent so we should improve.