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Player Valuation: £15m
Yeah I'd eat gladly humble pie obvs on the waste of cash. If it's good for EFC.Both on here![]()
Yeah I'd eat gladly humble pie obvs on the waste of cash. If it's good for EFC.Both on here![]()
He's crap in many ways. Has been terrible in the transfer market for years, and is so arrogant, he always needs to have total control- and his judgement is terrible. He is so negative in selection and messaging, that he spreads it through a club like a cancer.You speak to any Sunderland fan and they'll tell you that Moyes was nothing but a disgrace in his time here, I'm afraid to say. The cutting costs and the chamber story etc. came the season after (when we were relegated). That season he came in we'd actually been on the up from the end of the previous year, we'd had a fantastic end to the year under Big Sam and had a real togetherness going into the summer. When he joined I was at the pre-season friendly against Rotherham and there was nowt but delight to get him.
Moyes came in and immediately bought a few absolute duds (they were apparently his own choices) including a terible player for a record transfer for us (the record stood until last summer!) for about 30m all up. Watford, Burnley and Hull all spent less fwiw. He demanded we keep hold of a player who you were in for as well, when that moeny could in theory of been reeinvested I supporse - and was an outlay in itself to keep him (Kone). And crucially he opted not to sign a couple of the loan players who had done the business for us the season before. We certainly didn't have tons of funds - but it wasn't as dire as seasons after the PL.
More importantly though he quickly fell out with the core of players we had apparently, and also admitted on TV after our first home game of the season we'd be in relegation scrap/ be in trouble - which, while truthful, sucked the life out of the fanbase.
I have said this before on here and someone got quite annoyed at me saying I was twisting facts. To be clear think we were on the decline and maybe nobody could of kept us up. And I certianly think he was still quite burnt out from Man U etc. and clearly didn't want to be at the club. He never really took to us, and didn't even move to the area I think. So prehaps good manager but wrong time/ club, and there's no love lost between our supporters and him.
Yeah I'd eat gladly humble pie obvs on the waste of cash. If it's good for EFC.
It depends what 'great' means in context really. If they're both absolutely fantastic from the opening day of the season then it will be hard to believe that they've improved so much in 2 months that they've gone from not even being good enough to get a few minutes off the bench to being outstanding PL players and so you'd have to think maybe they should have got a bit more of a chance this year. If they start slowly and we can see their weaknesses but then they gradually improve over time to the point that they're decent players for us then we'll see that maybe they weren't ready this year and handling them the way we did was understandable.Was talking to a couple of blues on Saturday.
What if Moyes uses Dibling and Aznou next season, and they are great ??
Do we blame him for holding them back ?
Praise him for handling them well ?
Looking back at the season, probably our best result was winning away at Villa Park, certainly in terms of winning away at team who've finished in the top 4 anyway.
That day he had Patterson RB, O'Brien CB, Rohl and Garner CM with Harrison Armstrong in the 10 role.
Due to injuries/afcon etc he was pretty much forced to pick that team. Is it a positive to him that we won that day, or a negative on him that our best result all season was with a team pretty much picking itself!
A forced hand bails him out so many times.Looking back at the season, probably our best result was winning away at Villa Park, certainly in terms of winning away at team who've finished in the top 4 anyway.
That day he had Patterson RB, O'Brien CB, Rohl and Garner CM with Harrison Armstrong in the 10 role.
Due to injuries/afcon etc he was pretty much forced to pick that team. Is it a positive to him that we won that day, or a negative on him that our best result all season was with a team pretty much picking itself!
Blame him for holding them back and causing us to miss out on UCL.Was talking to a couple of blues on Saturday.
What if Moyes uses Dibling and Aznou next season, and they are great ??
Do we blame him for holding them back ?
Praise him for handling them well ?
Don’t worry the collective Moyes amnesia is lifting here now, so you should be alright this time.I have said this before on here and someone got quite annoyed at me saying I was twisting facts. To be clear think we were on the decline and maybe nobody could of kept us up. And I certianly think he was still quite burnt out from Man U etc. and clearly didn't want to be at the club. He never really took to us, and didn't even move to the area I think. So prehaps good manager but wrong time/ club, and there's no love lost between our supporters and him.
That's when he is a good manager; when he's forced to pick a team he never would. And, next match, pretty much everyone named barely got another match for the rest of the season.Looking back at the season, probably our best result was winning away at Villa Park, certainly in terms of winning away at team who've finished in the top 4 anyway.
That day he had Patterson RB, O'Brien CB, Rohl and Garner CM with Harrison Armstrong in the 10 role.
Due to injuries/afcon etc he was pretty much forced to pick that team. Is it a positive to him that we won that day, or a negative on him that our best result all season was with a team pretty much picking itself!
yeah, the best manager in the world (or possibly top two) is not what we need...He's never coming back, just signed a new contract to 2030 with Brazil and he's not what we need anyway as we're a long term 'project' and he's a here and now manager who would fill our squad with old ex class players like Dani Carvajal
we only get sold on if we're incredibly successfuliirc, there was a multi million£ plan for 'redevelopment' that was a 'conditional proposal' I think somebody looked at it again and said
How Much!?!?
Nah, Im not paying for that
and it got lost in the shuffle when Moshiri got paid off/out.
They'll keep using it until somebody gets a big bill for the upkeep - then who knows
We'll be sold on before that happens
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