2025/26 David Moyes

[Lanolin]

Yes, we have all heard Moyes has final say.

Final say over what? Over the very limited pool of players the scouts and analysts agreed on who were willing to sign for us last season.

Let's not make out like he was given 100 million and could sign any player in the world and these were HIS choices. That's how this keeps being framed and it's not realistic at all.

If the pool of players to pick from was filled with crap then it's not a surprise that the players we picked from it were crap.

It's massively obvious that he pushed for KDH and Grealish. The others were second, third or even lower down the list.

We went through about three or four wingers before signing Dibling. Tried for two other strikers before resorting to Barry. These were not his first choices lads.

Of course they weren't his first choices, he's managing Everton not Real Madrid. I don't see what your point is with this, we still spent the money, so either Moyes made good choices or he made bad ones. If we've pissed £100m up the wall we can't just say ah well you didn't give me enough good choices, that's ridiculous.

 

[Efcjake]

Let's hope so, because it's painful watching us - particularly at home.

Burnley will just sit deep and then snide us on the break/set piece.



Hello mate.

The last 2 seasons we've finished 20+ clear of relegation, and closer to Europe than relegation.

We aren't having points removed anymore - if you removed 10 points from us now, we'd be in Nottingham Forests position.

Potential signings wouldn't see it that way. They wouldn't care if it was because of deductions and what our real points total was.

They just saw us as being a relegation threatened financial basket case of a club. We have new owners but nobody knew for certain we wouldn't be in PSR trouble this year and if you think this doesn't have an impact on whether agents are pushing quality players to sign for us or to steer us well clear then I don't know what to tell you.

As far as the wider football world is concerned Moyes saved us from being in a fourth consecutive relegation battle and has only now brought us back to midtable mediocrity.

 

[Gilbert..]

Let's hope so, because it's painful watching us - particularly at home.

Burnley will just sit deep and then snide us on the break/set piece.



Hello mate.

The last 2 seasons we've finished 20+ clear of relegation, and closer to Europe than relegation.

We aren't having points removed anymore - if you removed 10 points from us now, we'd be in Nottingham Forests position.

One of them seasons was down to Moyes. He took over from dyche 1 point above the drop. That 6 months of dyche was as bad an Everton side ive ever seen. And my first game was 1977.
The season before the points deduction we were 45 minutes from being relegated.
A class pickford save against bournemouth stopped up playing hull and charlton the following year.
We've been looking over our shoulder.

 

[Efcjake]

Of course they weren't his first choices, he's managing Everton not Real Madrid. I don't see what your point is with this, we still spent the money, so either Moyes made good choices or he made bad ones. If we've pissed £100m up the wall we can't just say ah well you didn't give me enough good choices, that's ridiculous.

Of course you don't see the point

If every player in the pool to choose was crap then how was he ever going to pick a good one?

There's questions to be asked about the recruitment department and the quality of scouting and analytics as much as there are questions over Moyes' judgement.

That is, unless you want to just point the finger at Moyes and call it a day which is incredibly lazy and small minded.

 

[preposterousvelios]

Have to say I find it funny as well that the line from Moyes supporters is that its 'reductionist' to pin our issues on him. Same people who generally hold the opinion that 90% of our players are championship standard and will never be able to do anything meaningful in the PL.

Seems more reductionist to me to write off almost all of the squad rather than the one person making decisions.

 

[Nyhus]

We kept it going with the promised land of new owners and the new stadium on the horizon to keep people's spirits up. Continuing along the same lines now is different; people had convinced themselves we just needed to stick it out for a couple of years before we could start enjoying ourselves again, if that proves not to be the case I think a lot of people will have had enough.

It would be incredibly naive to expect us to be much better off than we currently are, just because we got new owners. We cant do what City and Chelski did, no matter how much money our owners have. We have been sailing the roughest of seas for season on end now, being relegation candidates. We are literally a mere year away from that, and people expect us to play party football insted of clinching the odd result, keeping us around the lower part of the top 10? I think thats absurd.

edit:
Also, we are not "continuing along the same lines". We havent been near relegation at all this season, ie there been massive improvement. Rome wasnt built in a day. I also want us to fight for the top spots, but expecting it already is setting yourselves up for a disappointment.

 

[MikeH72]

Let's hope so, because it's painful watching us - particularly at home.

Burnley will just sit deep and then snide us on the break/set piece.



Hello mate.

The last 2 seasons we've finished 20+ clear of relegation, and closer to Europe than relegation.

We aren't having points removed anymore - if you removed 10 points from us now, we'd be in Nottingham Forests position.

We had 8 points removed in 23/24, not 10. And at this stage it was 6 points, with the further 2 coming in mid April.

 

[windymiller]

Its noticeable how fans are talking about Moyes potentially going in the summer but the journalists who should be closer to the club are not.

Whether that is because the journalists don't know anything these days or because the fans are being unrealistic, time will tell.

He's clearly not going anywhere in the summer. Personally, I think that is the wrong decision. Even more so if his contract isn't extended as we've all seen what's happened at various clubs when everyone knows the manager is leaving. But there are no realistic signs that Moyes will be replaced. Another year of what is currently being served up.

 

[Gilbert..]

Tbh from my perspective most of debate from Moyes skeptics has been fairly nuanced. Obviously a couple posters go overboard after a loss but for the most part I think people have been patient, and conversation has only ever really been about if we make a change in summer.

Moyes loyalists on the other hand, I don't think have really been quite as objective. Posters such as yourself won't acknowledge obvious issues that are occurring as it would mean having to admit that Moyes could be doing things differently.

To talk about our goal scoring this season and say that it's fine because it tracks with how many goals we've generally been scoring over the last decade - obviously this is ignoring the fact that the last decade of Everton was the worst in our history. Any manager that came in after Dyche was going to have to raise basically every metric and Moyes hasn't.

Moyes gets up my nose.
But im having this season away from any relegation threat as the major factor. That will do me for now. That opinion wont last.

 

[DualityNSNO]

If every player in the pool to choose was crap then how was he ever going to pick a good one?

There's questions to be asked about the recruitment department and the quality of scouting and analytics as much as there are questions over Moyes' judgement.

That is, unless you want to just point the finger at Moyes and call it a day which is incredibly lazy and small minded.

I see where you're coming from, but there is 0, and I do mean ZERO, chance that all the players we scouted/were offered/etc. were actual crap.

Moyes also has a type of player he goes for (older/"experienced"), and a way he operates - late, cautious, until the final second. When you do your business that way you'll end up with fewer chances and options as most are gone by then, and if you're known to operate that way, then yes, people will probably not want to deal with you a lot. That's how you end up with a Barry*/Aznou late in the transfer window, etc., etc.

I get you defending him and that's fine, but we don't need to move mountains to prove how amazingly great Moyes is at everything when he's clearly flawed and has been since he entered the PL with us 20something years ago in many things and those flaws are widely known.

E: Barry might be a bad example, think he joined/was confirmed mid-july? Or something, not sure.

 

[Efcjake]

Have to say I find it funny as well that the line from Moyes supporters is that its 'reductionist' to pin our issues on him. Same people who generally hold the opinion that 90% of our players are championship standard and will never be able to do anything meaningful in the PL.

Seems more reductionist to me to write off almost all of the squad rather than the one person making decisions.

It's reductionist because every single problem is being laid at his feet pal.

Nobody wants to acknowledge that there's issues with the scouting and recruiting departments because it's another arrow in their quiver against public enemy number one.

I look forward to him leaving so every conversation can stop receiving around how much people hate him.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

One of them seasons was down to Moyes. He took over from dyche 1 point above the drop. That 6 months of dyche was as bad an Everton side ive ever seen. And my first game was 1977.
The season before the points deduction we were 45 minutes from being relegated.
A class pickford save against bournemouth stopped up playing hull and charlton the following year.
We've been looking over our shoulder.

Moyes rocked up last season, with us on 17 points from 19 games. 18th went down last season on 25 points. So Moyes needed 8 points from 19 games to see us safe. Praise the lord he managed it.

We've finished 20+ points clear the last 2 seasons, then spent a club record amount. Relegation was never a consideration this season.

We had 8 points removed in 23/24, not 10. And at this stage it was 6 points, with the further 2 coming in mid April.

It was 10 which dictated the scrap we had, reduced to 6, 2 years ago today - on 26th Feb 2024;

Everton points deduction: Punishment reduced from 10 points to six after appeal

Everton's 10-point deduction for breaching Premier League financial rules is reduced to six points on appeal.

www.bbc.co.uk

Even at then, when 10 was reduced to 6, it wasn't over as we expected more that same season which come later with another 2.

The point was - that season felt like a relegation scrap, because of the point deductions we carried. As I said, take 10 points off our total now - which we had until 26th Feb, and we'd be in a relegation scrap. Take 6 off with more to come and we'd still be anxious.

 

[preposterousvelios]

Moyes gets up my nose.
But im having this season away from any relegation threat as the major factor. That will do me for now. That opinion wont last.

Yeah and thats fair, but most of the conversation about Moyes is about what happens next season. People aren't asking for him to be sacked tomorrow.

Not being around relegation this season is fine, next season people will expect more. And that's without getting into the issues around transfers. We're going to spend big in the summer, guaranteed. So far this season Moyes has refused to play any of the new players that he signed off on himself.

 

[Efcjake]

I see where you're coming from, but there is 0, and I do mean ZERO, chance that all the players we scouted/were offered/etc. were actual crap.

Moyes also has a type of player he goes for (older/"experienced"), and a way he operates - late, cautious, until the final second. When you do your business that way you'll end up with fewer chances and options as most are gone by then, and if you're known to operate that way, then yes, people will probably not want to deal with you a lot. That's how you end up with a Barry*/Aznou late in the transfer window, etc., etc.

I get you defending him and that's fine, but we don't need to move mountains to prove how amazingly great Moyes is at everything when he's clearly flawed and has been since he entered the PL with us 20something years ago in many things and those flaws are widely known.

E: Barry might be a bad example, think he joined/was confirmed mid-july? Or something, not sure.

The older experienced players he signed were the only good ones in KDH and Grealish. There's no doubt in my mind who picked them.

All these other players he isn't using don't strike me as his choices.

We were scraping the bottom of the barrel last summer. We were getting turned down by everyone and we went right down the list simply to bring in bodies because we released 9 players from the squad and they did need replacing.

When he goes and every signing doesn't hit people will start talking about the recruitment department.

 

[Lanolin]

Of course you don't see the point

If every player in the pool to choose was crap then how was he ever going to pick a good one?

There's questions to be asked about the recruitment department and the quality of scouting and analytics as much as there are questions over Moyes' judgement.

That is, unless you want to just point the finger at Moyes and call it a day which is incredibly lazy and small minded.

I'm afraid it's you who's being reductive and small minded here. I'm not here calling Moyes all the names under the sun and saying he's a disgrace who needs sacking immediately, much as you seemingly want me to be.

There was a conversation/debate about the money we spent and whether it was fair to expect us to improve significantly from that. You originally wailed that it wasn't a lot when compared to other teams, then when you were put right on that you switched to wailing that we had to take into account what had happened 5 years ago, and again you were put straight, so now you're wailing that if we assume (seemingly without basis) that every single potential target put forward to Moyes was completely useless then he can be totally absolved of any blame at all for us not getting any better. It's bizarre. I haven't ever and wouldn't ever suggest that Moyes is 100% totally responsible for literally everything that ever happens at the club, nobody has said the recruitment team and scouts are beyond reproach, that's just a straw man argument you've made up. My point in my last post was basically just that either spending £60m on Barry and Dibling was a good move or it wasn't, if it wasn't then we shouldn't have done it, whether the calibre of other players being put forward was good enough or not is irrelevant to that.