2025/26 David Moyes

[Bez2k2k]

I think the reality is clear with Moyes. He has done a great job of steering us away from the bottom and has created the Everton feeling again.

However, his signings so far have been awful. Our home form is awful and we are out of both cups to two team we should have beaten. It’s a dangerous game going from manager to manager but if Moyes doesn’t improve the home form especially then I fully expect him to be moved on in the summer.

 

[Efcjake]

I'm not getting to deep into with you as you're so warped about Moyes it doesnt matter what anyone says. You're not having it.
The last time Everton scored over 50 goals in a season was 2018 (54 goals)
fact that in 2021 and 2023 Moyes west ham scored 60 goals in both seasons tells you its been an Everton problem way longer than the past 12 months.

Every problem we have is because of Moyes.

Everton never had any problems before Moyes showed up.

Sacking Moyes will solve all our problems.


It's very reductionist.

 

[davids]

I agree with the sentiment, but I don't agree with the logic of how you got there.

1 place above where Moyes got us last season would not be a big enough progression, in my opinion also. However, the cost of the squad is still around 12th-14th (I believe), so with that in mind 12th can be seen as a solid par, regardless of what Moyes achieved last year. Anything above this would be a sliding scale of under par.

Shouldn't be about what the squad cost, it's what a manager does with it. And at the moment Moyes isn't getting the full potential from them.

 

[Efcjake]

Yeah I don't disagree, I just think it's a fair point that if someone wants to say well Bournemouth have spent £50m more than us this year you sort of have to balance that by saying yes but they also received £300m more than us in sales and that included losing most of what would have been thought of as their best players. The level of improvement you would expect to see from the 2 teams is therefore going to be different.

Does that not get extended to our team having lost its key players with no replacement for five years before we finally spent money last season?

It's easy to say we didn't lose any key players on a free last summer but the windows before that we sold Onana and Gordon. Before that James and Digne. Lost Gylfi to a free....

All of that gets ignored.

 

[blueboy72]

It is where you finish that counts in football, not necessarily how you got there. .

Also, you said the word 'never'. When somebody uses that my mid goes into pedantic mode and takes it literally, so I had to go back to the beginning of his managerial career to check whether it was never the case or not.

His limit was the consistency and the getting wins against the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal & Man Utd.

Apart from away from home, finally did it this season at his probably 50th attempt
Had we been better both ends of the pitch, we maybe had got champions league a few more times and also the Europa league when missing out by a place or two

 

[Lanolin]

Does that not get extended to our team having lost its key players with no replacement for five years before we finally spent money last season?

It's easy to say we didn't lose any key players on a free last summer but the windows before that we sold Onana and Gordon. Before that James and Digne. Lost Gylfi to a free....

All of that gets ignored.

Not when talking about season on season improvement, no? It was obviously a valid point in previous seasons (when lots of people didn't want to hear it) but the context of the discussion today was that the squad had been good enough to finish 12th last season and had then had money spent on it, so not progressing from 12th would be disappointing. On that basis the money spent on the squad in previous seasons isn't really relevant, because the starting point for the comparison was the end of last year.

 

[Gilbert..]

Every problem we have is because of Moyes.

Everton never had any problems before Moyes showed up.

Sacking Moyes will solve all our problems.


It's very reductionist.

Sun doesnt shine out of his arse. Not even close. He annoys me at times. I think he could have used Alcaraz way better this season etc.
But
How many years has this forum not had a relegation thread on F5. This is probably the first in years.
prospective of a bigger picture of the 12 months.

 

[blueboy72]

Lol. So now you're concentrating on the goals against. Have you currently got an issue with that this season. How high on the list is that one?

Didn’t you criticise Bournemouth for conceding goals ?? And all they try and do is out score the opposition lol
Imagine watching a team that tries to out score the opposition, what sorcery is this

Funny thing is for a team that concede they have a minus 2 goal difference so far this season, same as us. After losing 3 of their back 4 and their top goal scorer 6 games ago

 

[Efcjake]

Sun doesnt shine out of his arse. Not even close. He annoys me at times. I think he could have used Alcaraz way better this season etc.
But
How many years has this forum not had a relegation thread on F5. This is probably the first in years.
prospective of a bigger picture of the 12 months.

I want him to throw away a match just playing all of these fringe players everyone is crying out for and when it turns out that he was right and they aren't the world beaters everyone had turned them into in their heads we can finally move on and accept that maybe this squad isn't yet good enough for a European spot.

 

[blueboy72]

Every problem we have is because of Moyes.

Everton never had any problems before Moyes showed up.

Sacking Moyes will solve all our problems.


It's very reductionist.

Moshiri and kenwright are no longer here, we’re recruiting from teams like city and utd and have a new structure, new owners new CEO, new chairman.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I'm not getting to deep into with you as you're so warped about Moyes it doesnt matter what anyone says. You're not having it.
The last time Everton scored over 50 goals in a season was 2018 (54 goals)
fact that in 2021 and 2023 Moyes west ham scored 60 goals in both seasons tells you its been an Everton problem way longer than the past 12 months.

Every problem we have is because of Moyes.

Everton never had any problems before Moyes showed up.

Sacking Moyes will solve all our problems.


It's very reductionist.

Thing is though gents, I understood it when we had the likes of Demarai Gray, Jack Harrison, Jesper Lindstrom and we didn't have a pot to piss in to improve that. In fact, I'd routinely joke that our front 3 were are all from recently relegated teams;

when you have an entire front 3 of players who struggled in teams who went down recently - then it's another sign really that they're all not very good.

Not that I need that insight to know McNeil, Harrison and Doucoure aren't going to be great.

... but we've spent a few bob since, and we've currently scored less at this stage of the season than we did in Dyche's full season.

Give Moyes full backs who can cross a half way line, some pace out wide and the striker he wanted in Liam Delap and we score more goals. But I still think he's getting less goals from this team than he should.

But it's certainly not a recent issue - I mean, Thomas Frank's Brentford scored more goals in the Prem last season than we've ever managed in it's history.

 

[blueboy72]

I want him to throw away a match just playing all of these fringe players everyone is crying out for and when it turns out that he was right and they aren't the world beaters everyone had turned them into in their heads we can finally move on and accept that maybe this squad isn't yet good enough for a European spot.

Well we haven’t won any of our last 8 games at home and yeah picking his favourites and players falling off a cliff like, Keane, tarks, gana , while playing other players out of position. Had he won 4 out of the 8 With 2 draws. I doubt we’d be moaning, but what he’s doing ain’t working

 

[Efcjake]

Thing is though gents, I understood it when we had the likes of Demarai Gray, Jack Harrison, Jesper Lindstrom and we didn't have a pot to piss in to improve that. In fact, I'd routinely joke that our front 3 were are all from recently relegated teams;



... but we've spent a few bob since, and we've currently scored less at this stage of the season than we did in Dyche's full season.

Give Moyes full backs who can cross a half way line, some pace out wide and the striker he wanted in Liam Delap and we score more goals. But I still think he's getting less goals from this team than he should.

But it's certainly not a recent issue - I mean, Thomas Frank's Brentford scored more goals in the Prem last season than we've ever managed in it's history.

Look no further than our utterly hopeless striker

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Look no further than our utterly hopeless striker

The problem is beyond that.

Just like it was with Calvert-Lewin who has 10 league goals at the moment - he wouldn't have them same goals here, because, well, this;

 

[SerenityNigh]

I think the reality is clear with Moyes. He has done a great job of steering us away from the bottom and has created the Everton feeling again.

However, his signings so far have been awful. Our home form is awful and we are out of both cups to two team we should have beaten. It’s a dangerous game going from manager to manager but if Moyes doesn’t improve the home form especially then I fully expect him to be moved on in the summer.

????

I guess you could argue that it's awful not to address team needs, or to think you can get by with patchwork at right back, but awful is a bit much on the signings made so far by Moyes.