2025/26 David Moyes

[Gilbert..]

I was talking about Moyes who’s our mangers right now and the thread is called David Moyes , you mentioned 2022, what’s that got to do with Bournemouth and Moyes

Because it was my point about long term goal scoring has been a problem for Everton in general. And Moyes West Ham side scored 60 in the 2023 season. so it has been an Everton issue.
I cant help it if you're so poisoned by Moyes that you cant stop being a bit of an asshole about it on every post.

 

[wandyr79]

Because it was my point about long term goal scoring has been a problem for Everton in general. And Moyes West Ham side scored 60 in the 2023 season. so it has been an Everton issue.
I cant help it if you're so poisoned by Moyes that you cant stop being a bit of an asshole about it on every post.

I was intrigued by the 'never' scores goals, so I had a brief look, he also reached 60 with us as well. More often than not it seemed to be in the 50s, with a few lower ones in our poorer seasons.

 

[blueboy72]

Because it was my point about long term goal scoring has been a problem for Everton in general. And Moyes West Ham side scored 60 in the 2023 season. so it has been an Everton issue.
I cant help it if you're so poisoned by Moyes that you cant stop being a bit of an asshole about it on every post.

So one season in 25 he’s averaged just over 1.5 goals a game, fantastic
He’s a poor manager whose teams generally don’t score goals and he’s very negative and defensive. And that’s why we’re seeing this season.

 

[blueboy72]

I was intrigued by the 'never' scores goals, so I had a brief look, he also reached 60 with us as well. More often than not it seemed to be in the 50s, with a few lower ones in our poorer seasons.

You’re looking from 15yrs ago, I’d guess where ever we finshed in them season IE 5th, 6th or 8th we probably scored the least goals and had the worst goal difference from the teams around us

 

[Lanolin]

I was intrigued by the 'never' scores goals, so I had a brief look, he also reached 60 with us as well. More often than not it seemed to be in the 50s, with a few lower ones in our poorer seasons.

Genuine question but that's still not actually a lot though is it? I mean don't get me wrong like, I'd absolutely take it, but I just mean in relative terms I don't think 60 goals is actually a lot is it? Without checking it I would imagine generally 7 or 8 teams a season score 60+?

 

[blueboy72]

Genuine question but that's still not actually a lot though is it? I mean don't get me wrong like, I'd absolutely take it, but I just mean in relative terms I don't think 60 goals is actually a lot is it? Without checking it I would imagine generally 7 or 8 teams a season score 60+?

I’ve only looked at one season, but in 04/05 when we got champions league and finshed 4th. We were the lowest scorers in the top 9 and the only team in the top 9 with a negative goal difference

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

His ability to pick a pass is one of the most impressive things about him when he's doing well, I saw more progressive passing ability in him in his first couple of games last season than Garner had shown in 2 years at that point. The problem is the wild lack of consistency with it, he seems equally likely to mess up a simple 10 yard sideways ball as he is to play an incisive forward one.

Yep. He's infuriating for sure. Beats a couple of players with fantastic strength and skill and then immediately messes up a simple 10 yard pass. I'd like him to be far more ambitious in everything he does. If get the ball around the box he should be driving past players and shooting as much as possible.

 

[blueboy72]

Because it was my point about long term goal scoring has been a problem for Everton in general. And Moyes West Ham side scored 60 in the 2023 season. so it has been an Everton issue.
I cant help it if you're so poisoned by Moyes that you cant stop being a bit of an asshole about it on every post.

Interesting in that 23 season you mentioned, his last at West Ham when they finshed 9th, they did score 60, but let in 74. A -14th goal difference would have them 15th in the league going off goal difference

 

[blueboy72]

Yep. He's infuriating for sure. Beats a couple of players with fantastic strength and skill and then immediately messes up a simple 10 yard pass. I'd like him to be far more ambitious in everything he does. If get the ball around the box he should be driving past players and shooting as much as possible.

Let’s have it right he doesn’t beat a couple of players with skill and strength that often. How many times did he do it v Man Utd?? I’d say he gave away the ball cheaply a lot more

 

[wandyr79]

Genuine question but that's still not actually a lot though is it? I mean don't get me wrong like, I'd absolutely take it, but I just mean in relative terms I don't think 60 goals is actually a lot is it? Without checking it I would imagine generally 7 or 8 teams a season score 60+?

I am not sure, just checked on ours, so not sure how it compares. Also, to be fully research mode to get every bit of data to analyse, I suppose we would have to look conceding as well.

You can say that manager A is great because he has teams that score 70+ every season, but if they are conceding 70+ a season then you are still not winning much, unless every game is 5-4/4-3/etc. .

I suppose, what I am trying to say is I have no opinion whether that is good or not, thought I would put that in there and see what other people thought . I suppose, in general, to say whether a manager is more good than bad you need more information than just goals scored.

Without the stats, I think Moyes has gotten a balance in his tactics, more often than not, probably just about more when considering his stints between us and West Ham. Throughout the whole of his managerial career.

 

[Lanolin]

I am not sure, just checked on ours, so not sure how it compares. Also, to be fully research mode to get every bit of data to analyse, I suppose we would have to look conceding as well.

You can say that manager A is great because he has teams that score 70+ every season, but if they are conceding 70+ a season then you are still not winning much, unless every game is 5-4/4-3/etc. .

I suppose, what I am trying to say is I have no opinion whether that is good or not, thought I would put that in there and see what other people thought . I suppose, in general, to say whether a manager is more good than bad you need more information than just goals scored.

Without the stats, I think Moyes has gotten a balance in his tactics, more often than not, probably just about more when considering his stints between us and West Ham. Throughout the whole of his managerial career.

Yeah I wasn't using it as a stick to beat him with. I think the basic premise of Moyes teams not generally scoring a lot of goals is probably fairly accurate so just pointing out that if the most one of his teams has ever scored is 60 that probably actually backs that up rather than refutes it, because I would imagine that's barely above midway most seasons. I'm not being critical, just saying I think the original point is a fair one.

EDIT - Just looked at last season and 8 teams scored more than 60, 11 scored 58 or more, so if that's not an anomaly (I can't be bothered looking at more seasons at the moment to check whether it is or not) then yeah I think you'd have to say 60 goals being the most he's ever got means you can legitimately say his teams don't score a lot.

 

[Gilbert..]

So one season in 25 he’s averaged just over 1.5 goals a game, fantastic
He’s a poor manager whose teams generally don’t score goals and he’s very negative and defensive. And that’s why we’re seeing this season.

I'm not getting to deep into with you as you're so warped about Moyes it doesnt matter what anyone says. You're not having it.
The last time Everton scored over 50 goals in a season was 2018 (54 goals)
fact that in 2021 and 2023 Moyes west ham scored 60 goals in both seasons tells you its been an Everton problem way longer than the past 12 months.

 

[wandyr79]

You’re looking from 15yrs ago, I’d guess where ever we finshed in them season IE 5th, 6th or 8th we probably scored the least goals and had the worst goal difference from the teams around us

It is where you finish that counts in football, not necessarily how you got there. .

Also, you said the word 'never'. When somebody uses that my mid goes into pedantic mode and takes it literally, so I had to go back to the beginning of his managerial career to check whether it was never the case or not.

His limit was the consistency and the getting wins against the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal & Man Utd.

 

[Gilbert..]

Interesting in that 23 season you mentioned, his last at West Ham when they finshed 9th, they did score 60, but let in 74. A -14th goal difference would have them 15th in the league going off goal difference

Lol. So now you're concentrating on the goals against. Have you currently got an issue with that this season. How high on the list is that one?

 

[wandyr79]

Yeah I wasn't using it as a stick to beat him with. I think the basic premise of Moyes teams not generally scoring a lot of goals is probably fairly accurate so just pointing out that if the most one of his teams has ever scored is 60 that probably actually backs that up rather than refutes it, because I would imagine that's barely above midway most seasons. I'm not being critical, just saying I think the original point is a fair one.

Would agree 100%.

If you do take the goals on their own, at face value, then it looks to be on the poorer side of the fence.