2025/26 David Moyes

efcste97 said:
Unfortunately not, fingers crossed the exodus actually happens this time, though the new contract for Keane and rumoured one for Mykolenko aren't exactly inspiring confidence.

Selling Ndiaye to fund someone like Bowen could be on the cards, if the right bid comes in for Ndiaye of course. Beyond that and McNeil, I can't see too many other departures, maybe a few younger players out on loan. Hopefully 3-4 signings in key positions who will actually make us better.
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Selling N'Diaye coming in to his peak years for a 29 year old on big wages and close to zero resale value would be insanity, have we not learned the lessons from the Koeman/Allardyce era? Fine if we have to sell N'Diaye for a suitably large fee but it would need to be reinvested in players with a high potential resale value
 
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Bluebonic said:
I dont mate, I just want to enjoy going to the match. It is my only pastime nowadays and All the joy I had at moving to our fabulous new stadium has completely evaporated. As I said, I don't expect us to win trophies with this team, nor to make Europe, but I do expect my very expensive match day to offer me something entertaining. I wouldnt care less bout the access issues or the midweek night games if we saw our team having a go every game. We do not, we get ten minutes front foot football, then begin the slow, inevitable regression into our own half, allowing them to pepper us with shots?

Some who sit by me say it is the players fault, but if so, why isnt Moyes on the touchline screaming his head off to get them applying his plan? He does nothing, sits there passive or stand at the edge of the area passive. Not good enough for me, and I accept that is just my opinion, I just dont want to have to trudge down there night game after night games to watch the horrible football we have been subjected to anymore.
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I hear you. and I think I understand.

I can't figure out the home form problem, I can't work out the slow starts at KO and HT (qualudes). And I can't see why the sucker punch gets us every time.

Home form is diabolical. It can't just be a settling into new digs issue.

I made a post a day ago about us at 1-1 on Sunday, we came back into the game, pegged sunderland back, worked a series of half chances and corners. Then we fashioned the chance for O'B then we froze, then the sucker punch, then we died. Again.

we huffed and puffed and very nearly blew their house down. we killed our own confidence. numerous forum accounts mentioned in the match thread that the inevitable conceding was on its way and they were all right.

We are not ruthless, we try hard but because there is no natural goal scorer the anxiety around scoring a goal shatters our fragile confidence and we flake out and crumble. It's not that its heart, it's about fight and determination. I want a couple of players that want to score and then do it again and put the oppo to the sword. humiliate them. We're to nice, we're to soft, and there is no killer instinct. I don't want a team of nice guys, I want a team of barstuds!*

It's a shame the match is so unfulfilling, the seating dynamic has caused a problem with the match day experience, that they've banged £180 on top of already increased ST's is very naughty. 12 months ago in Goodison a ST was what, £580? renewals less than 12 months on have shattered a grand.
I want my HT rubbish lager served by victoria secrets models to make this all palatable.

I'll meet you in the middle. Moyes bins beto and barry and gets a proper striker, AND gets two starting fullbacks in over this summer or he walks the plank? If the problem positions are obvious to us, then for his £7m big ones a year he ought to be acutely aware of what's required.

Do or die time. No excuses. Ruthlessness from top to bottom.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Indeed it was, and the club credited it as that at the time. We could have kept any we wanted.

Flip it on its head, if all these had 3+ years on their contract, it's a MUCH bigger problem. Some of them like Holgate was apparently on 72k a week. Doucoure over 100k apparently.

Asmir Begovic, Joao Virginia, Ashley Young, Mason Holgate, Jack Harrison, Jesper Lindstrom, Armando Broja, Abdoulaye Doucoure, Dominic Calvert-Lewin and Youssef Chermiti.
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Issue is that only those in bold were first team players. Even Young and Harrison had been phased out under Moyes for JOB and McNeil end of last season. DCL was injured a lot so we played Beto.

The only decision we really made was moving away from Doucoure, which was the right one.

When it came to Keane Gueye McNeil Coleman, we ducked big decisions and kicked into the long grass for another season or two. Aside from Coleman, the other three play a lot of football for Everton.

We’ve already renewed Keane again and woislnt surprise me to see us retain both Gueye and McNeil.

Until all three are gone from the spine of the team we’re not going anywhere.

I’d only consider that the top layers as well, we’ve not even mentioned Mykolenko Tarkwoski Beto who play all of every week for us and aren’t good enough.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Indeed it was, and the club credited it as that at the time. We could have kept any we wanted.

Flip it on its head, if all these had 3+ years on their contract, it's a MUCH bigger problem. Some of them like Holgate was apparently on 72k a week. Doucoure over 100k apparently.

Asmir Begovic, Joao Virginia, Ashley Young, Mason Holgate, Jack Harrison, Jesper Lindstrom, Armando Broja, Abdoulaye Doucoure, Dominic Calvert-Lewin and Youssef Chermiti.
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Surely you're not suggesting that after losing Jesper Lindstrom - an attacking player with 0 goals and 2 assists in the last 3 1/2 years - and replacing him with a bloke on £300k a week and with a £50m purchase option we should have got better?! Madness, losing players like that was a disaster for the club.
 
ToffeeTim said:
Lots of the players who left could and should have been sold years earlier. Losing under performing players is an opportunity to improve, not an excuse.

I think mentality is an enormous part of our problems, especially under Moyes.

Moyes is clearly a good manager but it's his lack of a winning mentality and his instinctively cautious approach that have stopped him from ever becoming a great manager.

We got ourselves into a great performance on March but then the pressure came on. The manager reacted by going very pragmatic and very cautious, and the result is we haven't won once since. We've seen this all before at Everton.

And then you have the comments from CEO and manager in recent weeks which seem a deliberate attempt to downplay expectations.

The mentality right across the club needs to change. None of our other mid table rivals tall about avoiding relegation as a big success.
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'could and should' doesn't recoup the losses to then buy replacements. there is no magic money tree.

the ceo comments are devastating really, tone deaf and completely in the face of the support. I'd p45 him for it.

although I couldn't care less about our contemporaries, celebrating avoiding the drop is rather small time and speaks to a larger attitude.

I acknowledge Moyes cautiousness is slowly grinding down the good will of a growing majority. it seems the toxicity of recent years is very keen to mobilise again. increased prices and last minute losses and stupid statements only exacerbate the negativity.

it'll fall on TFG to either back him with the tools he needs for the job or to penny pinch and leave him out to dry.
 
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Rita_Poon said:
so now we're being judged by arsenals record and what their support have on banners?

You should write comedies for TV.
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Not at all.

In response to a point about small-time mentality I'm saying Arsenal, in 22 years, haven't considered commemorating anything to do with the league because they haven't won it.

Whilst just 16 years after our last title win we were being told that 7th was magnificent for the people's club.
 
DavenBlue said:
Before the Arsenal game last night I saw somebody with a banner with something about it being 22 years since they last won the league. I wondered how many times in those 22 years they have done anything to commemorate winning nothing.

We brought that DVD out to celebrate finishing 7th in 2003. (59 points, 48 goals scored at 1.26 goals a game, goal difference -1. Another typical Moyes season re: my earlier post on the CL qualifying year).

16 years earlier we'd been the champions of England and now we had a DVD to commemorate a 7th place finish.

As has been said many times on here. Moyes and Kenwright were perfect for each other. We didn't have the money to compete and Moyes and his style of play would keep us safe. Along the way, through stunts like "The Magnificent 7th" they hoodwinked a generation of Evertonians that mid-table is our place so they wouldn't demand more.
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To be fair, I doubt Moyes was an associate producer on that dvd. It was one entirely from the kenwright wankbank.

Moyes will have us safe, maybe a european run. Nothing more. Unfortunately, that seems to be exactly what the friedkins want.
 
DavenBlue said:
Not at all.

In response to a point about small-time mentality I'm saying Arsenal, in 22 years, haven't considered commemorating anything to do with the league because they haven't won it.

Whilst just 16 years after our last title win we were being told that 7th was magnificent for the people's club.
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arsenal didn't have a generational side destroyed with the willingness of a hellspawn prime minister with a grudge against the city, because of the murderous hooliganism of our near neighbours.

I know it's fine margins and all but it needs pointing to.

then the Goodison issue not keeping up with the other contemporaries and then mismanagement.
 
trueblue84 said:
www.transfermarkt.co.uk

Premier League - Average age of formation (Detailed view)

This is the detailed statistic showing the average age in the Premier League in the season 25/26.
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Still 3rd. Only a year difference between us and the rs.
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I don't really see what you're getting at here? In context a year is actually quite a lot seeing as the age range at which you can realistically play football at the top level is relatively small, and Liverpool are - quite famously actually - in need of a squad rebuild due to a number of their previously key players no longer being at the level they were due to age.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Issue is that only those in bold were first team players. Even Young and Harrison had been phased out under Moyes for JOB and McNeil end of last season. DCL was injured a lot so we played Beto.

The only decision we really made was moving away from Doucoure, which was the right one.

When it came to Keane Gueye McNeil Coleman, we ducked big decisions and kicked into the long grass for another season or two. Aside from Coleman, the other three play a lot of football for Everton.

We’ve already renewed Keane again and woislnt surprise me to see us retain both Gueye and McNeil.

Until all three are gone from the spine of the team we’re not going anywhere.

I’d only consider that the top layers as well, we’ve not even mentioned Mykolenko Tarkwoski Beto who play all of every week for us and aren’t good enough.
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Don't want to start any rage posting from you, but only the other week Keane said he didn't expect to be playing that much this season.
Makes you think about his Ambition and comfortability that he signed a 1yr deal. And now he's just done it again.
 

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