2025/26 David Moyes

It's the fact we went more cautious as the season went on that makes no sense. Once we got ourselves well into mid table safety, the manager went even more safety first in his approach

If he isn't willing to give it a good go when we are rock solid and safe by new year, then what's the point. We've thrown away half a season playing dull percentage football, and for what?
 
Before the Arsenal game last night I saw somebody with a banner with something about it being 22 years since they last won the league. I wondered how many times in those 22 years they have done anything to commemorate winning nothing.

We brought that DVD out to celebrate finishing 7th in 2003. (59 points, 48 goals scored at 1.26 goals a game, goal difference -1. Another typical Moyes season re: my earlier post on the CL qualifying year).

16 years earlier we'd been the champions of England and now we had a DVD to commemorate a 7th place finish.

As has been said many times on here. Moyes and Kenwright were perfect for each other. We didn't have the money to compete and Moyes and his style of play would keep us safe. Along the way, through stunts like "The Magnificent 7th" they hoodwinked a generation of Evertonians that mid-table is our place so they wouldn't demand more.
so now we're being judged by arsenals record and what their support have on banners?

You should write comedies for TV.
 
We are a mid table nothing club
With a suitably mid table nothing manager.
It appears that once again we are saddled with mid table nothing ownership
If nothing changes all we have to look forward to is another low key grind through another season of unremitting nothingness.
The only thing that alters is it costs more money to be disappointed in flashier surroundings.
The home record this season was appalling.
Nil satis est optimum…
 
I think the things which will prevent Moyes moving us above mid table are as follows:- We have one of the oldest squads in the league, Moyes flogs 14 or 15 of them to death, including 4 over 30 year olds who have played most games, it was 5 before Grealish was injured. We are unable to play possession based football, so our old overworked players are constantly chasing the ball and we rely on breakaways, which is tough when we have no pace, or set pieces. He has consolidated our mid table status, but, he really will not progress us from here.

If we must give him next season and I really hope we don't then we really must not allow him to sign old players on long term contracts, if he must bring in older players, for pity's sake he must only be allowed to get them in on loan.
 
I'd argue only 1 of those players who left weakened us and that was at centre forward.

It was a great opportunity to do a full rebuild and replace under performing players. An ambitious club with a plan in place would have seen it as a positive.
Wait,

...

you wanted a full squad rebuild in one window?

Could you please point out a suitably "ambitious" other club that has ever done that ever please?
 
I think the things which will prevent Moyes moving us above mid table are as follows:- We have one of the oldest squads in the league, Moyes flogs 14 or 15 of them to death, including 4 over 30 year olds who have played most games, it was 5 before Grealish was injured. We are unable to play possession based football, so our old overworked players are constantly chasing the ball and we rely on breakaways, which is tough when we have no pace, or set pieces. He has consolidated our mid table status, but, he really will not progress us from here.

If we must give him next season and I really hope we don't then we really must not allow him to sign old players on long term contracts, if he must bring in older players, for pity's sake he must only be allowed to get them in on loan.
Even on loan they will command big Salaries - e.g John Stones injury prone - W Hams Soucek shrugging to get into a relegated team etc .. Deffo DM players ....
 
did you see the player exodus last summer?
Unfortunately not, fingers crossed the exodus actually happens this time, though the new contract for Keane and rumoured one for Mykolenko aren't exactly inspiring confidence.

Selling Ndiaye to fund someone like Bowen could be on the cards, if the right bid comes in for Ndiaye of course. Beyond that and McNeil, I can't see too many other departures, maybe a few younger players out on loan. Hopefully 3-4 signings in key positions who will actually make us better.
 
Wait,

...

you wanted a full squad rebuild in one window?

Could you please point out a suitably "ambitious" other club that has ever done that ever please?
No a full rebuild but a big part of a rebuild. Bournemouth and Brentford do it all the time when they lose their best players. Sunderland signed more than a full 11.

Losing a lot of underperforming players who put us in relegation trouble is not a negative at all. It was an enormous opportunity. But unfortunately we wasted most of the money.
 
Likely what keeps him in the job… Thread bare squad! Can point at his rotation and substitutes, ultimately its thread bare.

However, will need to be backed this transfer window R/L right back. R winger with pace. And striker who is useful…

That will be bare minimum for whoever is manager.

If that is not achieved we don’t have ownership we thought we had!
 
Unfortunately not, fingers crossed the exodus actually happens this time, though the new contract for Keane and rumoured one for Mykolenko aren't exactly inspiring confidence.

Selling Ndiaye to fund someone like Bowen could be on the cards, if the right bid comes in for Ndiaye of course. Beyond that and McNeil, I can't see too many other departures, maybe a few younger players out on loan. Hopefully 3-4 signings in key positions who will actually make us better.
although not a hollywood signing, retaining keane has proved smart enough because of injury to branthwaite.

rumours of new contracts and future signings I can't judge until they happen. its all speculation.
 
I think the things which will prevent Moyes moving us above mid table are as follows:- We have one of the oldest squads in the league, Moyes flogs 14 or 15 of them to death, including 4 over 30 year olds who have played most games, it was 5 before Grealish was injured. We are unable to play possession based football, so our old overworked players are constantly chasing the ball and we rely on breakaways, which is tough when we have no pace, or set pieces. He has consolidated our mid table status, but, he really will not progress us from here.

If we must give him next season and I really hope we don't then we really must not allow him to sign old players on long term contracts, if he must bring in older players, for pity's sake he must only be allowed to get them in on loan.

I almost think it’s irrelevant who we buy in under Moyes.

I think you could give him the PSG line up and they’d play the same way these players do.

He played the same way at United.

His Everton team of last season despite being full of rubbish players played pretty much the same level as most of his previous teams did.


His set pieces have been the same whether he has a team full of grocks or full of shorter players. We’re always ok at them, don’t score enough, and concede really crucial ones at really annoying times.

I think we could go out this summer and buy a load of prem experience and put his dream team together: Toney, McGinn, Stones, Bowen, Wan Bissaka, Esteve etc. and that team would return pretty much the exact same outcome as this one.

He’s a manager that gets you between 45-65 points, most of the time and doesn’t win big games If we want to go to the champions league and deep in cups we need a manager that can get 70 plus points and wins one off big games. Then hope would return. Until then it’s just what shade of mid table do we want.
 
you've done it again.

where is the fluke? where and when is the poor league?

if you are going to contradict yourself it makes for very difficult reading and establishing what your view is. Scattergun approach.

I'm sure you got the point but maybe fluke wasn't the right word.

Maybe he needs a fluke to win a derby and its an improbability (could you use miracle or does that not meet the definition?) he'll get anywhere near the champions league again playing the same kind of football that he's always played.
 

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