2025/26 David Moyes

There's zero chance of that happening. He may very well be done if we go out of the cup but they aren't going to sack him mid-season because of a throughly mediocre campaign. It doesn't make any sense for them to do it. He'll either go in the summer or be here for the remainder of his contract. As frustrating as he is, our league position is not a sackable one given the ones we've been in for the previous four campaigns.
Yup. This is likely correct. Everything depends on the level of ambition of the owners. If they simply want to nurture their investment and make it ready for flipping in a few years, they'll keep Moyes and copper-fasten Everton as a secure nothing club. If they want more, they will remove him in the summer when a new man should be ready to step in. This will be deemed a "risk" by those suffering from PTSD or Kenwrightitis - but it'll be nothing of the sort for a well-funded club. Removing Moyes was a massive risk - almost a fatal one - for Kenwright because Moyes's basic competence was the only fig leaf Blue Bill's nefariousness had to cover it. This no longer applies.

If Moyes stays in the summer, we have incredibly conservative and deeply unambitious owners - oh, and nice a shiny stadium that will continue to outshine our team.
 
We've seen this movie before.
Saturday we lose 2 0 to Sunderland. Travers starts, as does Beto who is subbed for Barry in 80 mins.
Lots of grumbling but pressure is off and end of February, we go on a nice unbeaten run and finish 9th. What more do you want is the question?
Yup. He'll squeeze out a couple of results when he has his better players back that will be just the right balance between uplifting and irrelevant and primed to finish one spot out of the European places.

His cheerleaders will herald the "stability" and deem it "progress" even though we'll have been out of both cups in January and irrelevant in the league.

Marco Silva had a similar season that extended his - and our - misery, hammering Man United 4-0 along the way of a swashbuckling run of irrelevant form long after the season had lost any true meaning.

I said after the Burnley no-show that that was the beginning of the end for Moyes. It was.
 
He got out managed by Rob kin Edwards. How our strikers can look so isolated yet we simultaneously let them have the freedom of Bramley Moore in the centre of the pitch is quite the achievement. Like we were playing with 9 all second half. They had 4 players on our back 4 when attacking and we are at home hoping Barry gets the better of 2 or 3 defenders on his own. Tough watch and a shame the reds will hide the fact of how badly Moyes got it wrong.
There's no energy, no legs in midfield. We used to get by on Doucoure running marathon and Gana not far behind.
We upgraded Doucoure with KDH and Gana backing him up. Doucoure has left, Gana is away, KDH is injured.
Tim Iroegbunam is a work in progress.
Garner can't do it solo.
Armstrong has just come in.
Grealish is trying to work the left with a gymnast (Myko) and no KDH. Neither beto or barry are dynamic (physical) enough to bully a defence for him.
McNeil looks a player that's barely played for 12 months. Dibling is a new player settling in.

We don't have the players, at best we've a smattering of quality. We overpaid for barry just to get him. We're missing branthwaite. Tarkowski aint recovered fully from the hamstring injury. That we have on the board what we do is testament to how lucky we've been. It's all very grim.
 
There's no energy, no legs in midfield. We used to get by on Doucoure running marathon and Gana not far behind.
We upgraded Doucoure with KDH and Gana backing him up. Doucoure has left, Gana is away, KDH is injured.
Tim Iroegbunam is a work in progress.
Garner can't do it solo.
Armstrong has just come in.
Grealish is trying to work the left with a gymnast (Myko) and no KDH. Neither beto or barry are dynamic (physical) enough to bully a defence for him.
McNeil looks a player that's barely played for 12 months. Dibling is a new player settling in.

We don't have the players, at best we've a smattering of quality. We overpaid for barry just to get him. We're missing branthwaite. Tarkowski aint recovered fully from the hamstring injury. That we have on the board what we do is testament to how lucky we've been. It's all very grim.

Agree with most of this but not the last part. We have the points we have because the league is downright poor. Been lucky to win a couple yes, but also been dealt a pretty naff hand with some decisions.

I said after the Forest win the team, when fit, is 2 or 3 players from being a very decent team. Despite the last 2 games I stand by that, but we are too stretched at the moment.

Moyes deserves credit when it goes well - and generally speaking since he's returned, things have objectively improved and the future is brighter. Likewise he deserves all the criticism he's getting for the last 2 games, we've seen the worst of him in the last week.
 
It'll be a brave decision by the owners if they get rid of Moyes before his contract runs out, given how we've been the last 10 years or so. He's safe and that also says a lot about his style of play. He tends to have players in their positions and there is never a great deal of movement within his teams. I suspect he picks players based on how they follow his instructions without the ball rather than what they can do offensively.
His teams have always struggled to score goals, but he'll always come out and somehow the strikers will get the blame. In reality we don't create many chances for the striker, as his system isn't set up to. His teams always seem desperately slow as well, and tend to have to work hard to score goals. I do think he's a better manager than when he was first here (experience) but he's still massively limited.

He doesn't inspire hope, and that's the main issue with him. He's a safe manager, his teams tend to play safe and he'll comfortably get through a lot of games as when his team scores first they can be difficult to break down as they don't deviate out of position much and tend to be well organised. But if they don't score first then it usually means defeat.

For the owners I guess it all depends what their plans are. He'll be safe and keep us up but we can already see he won't really improve their assets on the field. Players like Dibling etc. will be left out over more experienced players. Everton as a club can't afford to be spending £40m on substitutes. If we're spending £40m on a player then you need a return on that investment (as well as to actually use them) and given we don't generate massive revenues then we need sell on values. I feel most of the signings point towards that kind of direction and I hear data driven decisions. I personally don't feel that Moyes brings youngsters through. He'll pick one player Rooney, Januzai etc. and try and concentrate on them to say he does, but in reality he doesn't. People will say Rodwell but he was a highly rated England youth defender, but Moyes didn't trust him and turned him in to a midfielder.

So do you stick with the safety of not having to worry about relegation but not really increasing the value of your investments, or do you take a calculated risk on a more progressive manager who will at least use and try to improve the players they bring in.
he's just brought Armstrong back.
Signed Dibling and Aznou, played and continues to play O'Brien and Barry and Tim Iroegbunam.
 
January to May is 5 months, 2 years is 24 months. the highlighted above is a nonsense.

The players we wanted either were not available or didn't want us. Imagine how crazy the crowd go with Sidibe or Martina still stinking the gaff out. This is the cost of benitez and koeman and lampard, we've been managed into the gutter and are not an attractive proposition. We had a squad in mutiny 12 months ago, a manager that had given up where his MO is he never gives up and leaving Goodison was close.

We're a mess, we've been a mess for a long time, and all the bellyaching wont fix it. Other sides can throw money away hand over fist, we got penalised for being unable to sell our (still) most expensive ever signing. The playing field isn't level, and no one can fix our sorry situation on their own.
Pretty sure it was a typo and he meant to type 18 months.
 
Agree with most of this but not the last part. We have the points we have because the league is downright poor. Been lucky to win a couple yes, but also been dealt a pretty naff hand with some decisions.

I said after the Forest win the team, when fit, is 2 or 3 players from being a very decent team. Despite the last 2 games I stand by that, but we are too stretched at the moment.

Moyes deserves credit when it goes well - and generally speaking since he's returned, things have objectively improved and the future is brighter. Likewise he deserves all the criticism he's getting for the last 2 games, we've seen the worst of him in the last week.
It's amazing timing that the bad luck and bad performances turn up when we've very few players to play. KDH is the midfielder of the season (or was before injury) and people are asking for changes. Besides Dibling, who was the great hope sat on the bench ready to tear it up?
We don't have the options for a full opening eleven, what do people see that I can't?
 
he's just brought Armstrong back.
Signed Dibling and Aznou, played and continues to play O'Brien and Barry and Tim Iroegbunam.
O'Brien will be 25 before the end of the season, we absolutely cannot count him as 'bringing youngsters through'! It's not a clear cut one but the development argument is definitely a fair one, there are legitimate concerns that he's a manager who focuses more on the here and now and less on the future. I found his comments about letting a 19 year old in his second season of senior football work out for himself how he needs to improve rather than explaining it to him to be genuinely quite frightening in terms of the long term aims of the club.
 
We just arent good enough to qualify for europe next season. In the summer we need to sign a right back, left back and a striker. This season lets just stay up and hope the glaring issues are resolved in the summer
He wanted McGinn. We need a soldier in the midfield. Gana is another year older, Garner is playing everywhere - he's meeting himself going the other way. Tim Iroegbunam isn't the finished article, there's glimpses but we aint there yet. Thankfully Armstrong has come back and is straight in.
We try to outwork sides, but 5 subs and fresh legs is a lot to fight when you have less reserves than the opposition. We do not have the margin. KDH is missing, this seasons top scorer. Ndiaye is missing, last seasons top scorer. Sadly Beto seems a busted flush, he'll go back to Italy this summer for about £8M. The signings have been made in self defence because of what we lost or were priced out of offering contracts to for value. We moved on from Moshiri, we got our new stadium. Sadly the cupboards are still bare.
 
Have we seen anything of Aznou to know he's gone backward?
Well last season he was playing in La Liga mate, he’s now struggling to get any game time at all. I’d say that’s a career on the wrong trajectory.

Nothing new of course, it happens. If he’s not good enough to make the step up then fair enough.

Just looks like more bad recruitment from Everton at the moment.
 

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