2025/26 David Moyes

It'll be a brave decision by the owners if they get rid of Moyes before his contract runs out, given how we've been the last 10 years or so. He's safe and that also says a lot about his style of play. He tends to have players in their positions and there is never a great deal of movement within his teams. I suspect he picks players based on how they follow his instructions without the ball rather than what they can do offensively.
His teams have always struggled to score goals, but he'll always come out and somehow the strikers will get the blame. In reality we don't create many chances for the striker, as his system isn't set up to. His teams always seem desperately slow as well, and tend to have to work hard to score goals. I do think he's a better manager than when he was first here (experience) but he's still massively limited.

He doesn't inspire hope, and that's the main issue with him. He's a safe manager, his teams tend to play safe and he'll comfortably get through a lot of games as when his team scores first they can be difficult to break down as they don't deviate out of position much and tend to be well organised. But if they don't score first then it usually means defeat.

For the owners I guess it all depends what their plans are. He'll be safe and keep us up but we can already see he won't really improve their assets on the field. Players like Dibling etc. will be left out over more experienced players. Everton as a club can't afford to be spending £40m on substitutes. If we're spending £40m on a player then you need a return on that investment (as well as to actually use them) and given we don't generate massive revenues then we need sell on values. I feel most of the signings point towards that kind of direction and I hear data driven decisions. I personally don't feel that Moyes brings youngsters through. He'll pick one player Rooney, Januzai etc. and try and concentrate on them to say he does, but in reality he doesn't. People will say Rodwell but he was a highly rated England youth defender, but Moyes didn't trust him and turned him in to a midfielder.

So do you stick with the safety of not having to worry about relegation but not really increasing the value of your investments, or do you take a calculated risk on a more progressive manager who will at least use and try to improve the players they bring in.
 
I can't see him going anywhere in the summer, regardless of how some might feel. The owners will no doubt just see this season as an improvement on last season (which it undeniably is) and a safe transition from relegation dogfights to mid-table mediocrity. Their investment is protected. The difference between 7th/8th to 13th/14th might feel massive to us, but I doubt they will see it as enough to sack Moyes. You might not like it but unless we get dragged into a relegation battle (and for all Moyes's faults, I think we all know that is not going to happen) he'll see his contract out.
So what do you do in the summer ? Let him dictate transfers ? You buy Grealish , Bowen, soucek for him, when he’s leaving in 12 months. That can’t work, you give him a new deal( disaster) or he goes, because if TFG and the recruitment go over his head and buy younger players for the next manager, he won’t play them. So you’re just wasting all next season
 
If the Friedkins really have the ambitions they claim to have I imagine the recruitment process is well underway. Modern day football has outgrown managers like David Moyes. You need a progressive coach, Brentford is a great example as they’ve lost their 2 best players in the summer and look even better now. Meanwhile our leader hasn’t stopped moaning since Ndiaye and Dewsbury-Hall have been out. We could well be in for another summer of change.
 
So what do you do in the summer ? Let him dictate transfers ? You buy Grealish , Bowen, soucek for him, when he’s leaving in 12 months. That can’t work, you give him a new deal( disaster) or he goes, because if TFG and the recruitment go over his head and buy younger players for the next manager, he won’t play them. So you’re just wasting all next season
You're saying all that like him staying here next season is what I want. Its not. Its just what I think the owners will do. Moyes is a steady-eddy who they can count on to keep the lights on and be professional enough to never down tools like Dyche did.
 
It'll be a brave decision by the owners if they get rid of Moyes before his contract runs out, given how we've been the last 10 years or so. He's safe and that also says a lot about his style of play. He tends to have players in their positions and there is never a great deal of movement within his teams. I suspect he picks players based on how they follow his instructions without the ball rather than what they can do offensively.
His teams have always struggled to score goals, but he'll always come out and somehow the strikers will get the blame. In reality we don't create many chances for the striker, as his system isn't set up to. His teams always seem desperately slow as well, and tend to have to work hard to score goals. I do think he's a better manager than when he was first here (experience) but he's still massively limited.

He doesn't inspire hope, and that's the main issue with him. He's a safe manager, his teams tend to play safe and he'll comfortably get through a lot of games as when his team scores first they can be difficult to break down as they don't deviate out of position much and tend to be well organised. But if they don't score first then it usually means defeat.

For the owners I guess it all depends what their plans are. He'll be safe and keep us up but we can already see he won't really improve their assets on the field. Players like Dibling etc. will be left out over more experienced players. Everton as a club can't afford to be spending £40m on substitutes. If we're spending £40m on a player then you need a return on that investment (as well as to actually use them) and given we don't generate massive revenues then we need sell on values. I feel most of the signings point towards that kind of direction and I hear data driven decisions. I personally don't feel that Moyes brings youngsters through. He'll pick one player Rooney, Januzai etc. and try and concentrate on them to say he does, but in reality he doesn't. People will say Rodwell but he was a highly rated England youth defender, but Moyes didn't trust him and turned him in to a midfielder.

So do you stick with the safety of not having to worry about relegation but not really increasing the value of your investments, or do you take a calculated risk on a more progressive manager who will at least use and try to improve the players they bring in.

We have to look at how they have operated at Roma and they are very trigger happy.
 
1st half was fine in the main I thought... but it was obvious if we didnt get a second then it would come back to bite us on the a55. As is common with quite a lot of these older British managers the second half was mainly reactive and not responding or tweaking to opposition changes with subs etc.
 
You're saying all that like him staying here next season is what I want. Its not. Its just what I think the owners will do. Moyes is a steady-eddy who they can count on to keep the lights on and be professional enough to never down tools like Dyche did.
But you’re not thinking of a certian transfer window and spending 150mil give or take. Kinnear said on toffee TV Moyes is very difficult to buy for. I don’t want our club to give him another penny
 
We have to look at how they have operated at Roma and they are very trigger happy.
They brought in their Moyes in the tinker man and replaced him with a brilliant manager and now sit 5th 6 points of the top and a great chance of champions league football. They won’t just sit and watch the new ground be like a morgue as we plod our way to 5/6 wins a season
 
It'll be a brave decision by the owners if they get rid of Moyes before his contract runs out, given how we've been the last 10 years or so. He's safe and that also says a lot about his style of play. He tends to have players in their positions and there is never a great deal of movement within his teams. I suspect he picks players based on how they follow his instructions without the ball rather than what they can do offensively.
His teams have always struggled to score goals, but he'll always come out and somehow the strikers will get the blame. In reality we don't create many chances for the striker, as his system isn't set up to. His teams always seem desperately slow as well, and tend to have to work hard to score goals. I do think he's a better manager than when he was first here (experience) but he's still massively limited.

He doesn't inspire hope, and that's the main issue with him. He's a safe manager, his teams tend to play safe and he'll comfortably get through a lot of games as when his team scores first they can be difficult to break down as they don't deviate out of position much and tend to be well organised. But if they don't score first then it usually means defeat.

For the owners I guess it all depends what their plans are. He'll be safe and keep us up but we can already see he won't really improve their assets on the field. Players like Dibling etc. will be left out over more experienced players. Everton as a club can't afford to be spending £40m on substitutes. If we're spending £40m on a player then you need a return on that investment (as well as to actually use them) and given we don't generate massive revenues then we need sell on values. I feel most of the signings point towards that kind of direction and I hear data driven decisions. I personally don't feel that Moyes brings youngsters through. He'll pick one player Rooney, Januzai etc. and try and concentrate on them to say he does, but in reality he doesn't. People will say Rodwell but he was a highly rated England youth defender, but Moyes didn't trust him and turned him in to a midfielder.

So do you stick with the safety of not having to worry about relegation but not really increasing the value of your investments, or do you take a calculated risk on a more progressive manager who will at least use and try to improve the players they bring in.
Letting him “move upstairs”, and have even more say is arguably a worse decision than employing him to begin with, I pray to god he is being replaced and moved on to live in his little house in America ASAP.


This failed legacy he brings to Everton needs to end.
 
We really need to work on speed. Look at this goal from Sunderland last week against spurs, bear in mind these were in the championship last year. When was the last time we scored a quick goal like that

 
It'll be a brave decision by the owners if they get rid of Moyes before his contract runs out, given how we've been the last 10 years or so. He's safe and that also says a lot about his style of play. He tends to have players in their positions and there is never a great deal of movement within his teams. I suspect he picks players based on how they follow his instructions without the ball rather than what they can do offensively.
His teams have always struggled to score goals, but he'll always come out and somehow the strikers will get the blame. In reality we don't create many chances for the striker, as his system isn't set up to. His teams always seem desperately slow as well, and tend to have to work hard to score goals. I do think he's a better manager than when he was first here (experience) but he's still massively limited.

He doesn't inspire hope, and that's the main issue with him. He's a safe manager, his teams tend to play safe and he'll comfortably get through a lot of games as when his team scores first they can be difficult to break down as they don't deviate out of position much and tend to be well organised. But if they don't score first then it usually means defeat.

For the owners I guess it all depends what their plans are. He'll be safe and keep us up but we can already see he won't really improve their assets on the field. Players like Dibling etc. will be left out over more experienced players. Everton as a club can't afford to be spending £40m on substitutes. If we're spending £40m on a player then you need a return on that investment (as well as to actually use them) and given we don't generate massive revenues then we need sell on values. I feel most of the signings point towards that kind of direction and I hear data driven decisions. I personally don't feel that Moyes brings youngsters through. He'll pick one player Rooney, Januzai etc. and try and concentrate on them to say he does, but in reality he doesn't. People will say Rodwell but he was a highly rated England youth defender, but Moyes didn't trust him and turned him in to a midfielder. Barkley made a mistake in one game and wasn't seen again for ages.

So do you stick with the safety of not having to worry about relegation but not really increasing the value of your investments, or do you take a calculated risk on a more progressive manager who will at least use and try to improve the players they bring in.

Think the bold there is the biggest point, at least for me.

I'd preached taking medicine and pragmatism the last few years given the chaos around the club, under new owners with money to spend and the new stadium - I just wanted some hope for the next few years.

Against a backdrop of two successive seasons of being 20+ pts clear of the drop and closer to europe than relegation, now with money to spend (as often said - spent more in the summer than the 7 years combined!) I don't think that's a lot to ask for.

If TFG have genuine long term ambition - they'll make a change this summer.
If their ambition is more modest, midtable for the next 3-5 years then they should keep him.
 
We just arent good enough to qualify for europe next season. In the summer we need to sign a right back, left back and a striker. This season lets just stay up and hope the glaring issues are resolved in the summer
 
We really need to work on speed. Look at this goal from Sunderland last week against spurs, bear in mind these were in the championship last year. When was the last time we scored a quick goal like that


We actually have had moments like that this season because of KDH and Garner, but I agree you don't see it enough.
 

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