2025/26 David Moyes

[blueboy72]

Well it’s obviously matched by a very good away record so the overall picture does need to be taken into account.

It’s more for me the opportunities that come on a game by game basis to take a step forward. We’ve had teams such as Newcastle and Brentford who had terrible away records and we were on a high full of confidence going into them and just set our level back massively. The benefit of big away wins are being undermined by poor showings at home.

The problem is with such a poor home form, we’re missing a massive trick trying to win 4/5 games on the bounce. We get a good result like Utd away and Forest away and then just throw it away at home. Moyes will alway struggle when the onus is on him to get his team on the front foot, that’s why I’m not confident tonight

 

[when i score we riot]

I would actually put a lot more weight on whether he puts Jake O’Brien at right back again to accommodate a clearly unfit Keane at centreback, especially as he’s had to sit and watch at least 2 defensive horror shows (Newcastle and Brentford) while simultaneously stifling any right sided attacking and isolating a young winger who hasn’t played anywhere near enough through the season. You can forgive Moyes when we play away and want to keep it tight but not when we are at home and should be taking the game to a bottom of the league plopper like Wolves.

I’m happy to shower him with praise when he has clearly out thought the opposition and it happens often. I’m equally annoyed when his old habits which have been proven in front of his face don’t work. This is what we were always going to get with a manager you’ve already seen the best and worst from for years. Let’s hope he realises he needs to be a lot braver tonight and that the team comes before his favourites.

Spot on, i agree with this!

Right back situation is worrying and it seems Moyes finds JOB at RB the most sensible solution, but it's clearly suboptimal. Despite all this experimentation (and we all know he would just throw Coleman in there if he could) it seems hard to find something that works consistently. I'm not sure who you would rather have at RB? Patterson?

 

[Clarky cat]

I'm starting to wonder about the size of the pitch at BMD, we'd often make Goodison a bit narrower. (within the rules of course).

It’s 5m longer apparently, I’m not sure that will be the defining factor of why a CB can’t play like a RB and be able to support the wide player in front of him adequately. It does give the opponent 5m longer to outrun our 2 slugs in the middle though

 

[derek duvall]

£145mil + add ons in total that TFG have spent.



Why dont you take a look at his last years west ham results before writing "moyes isnt the problem".

You'll soon see how daft you look.

Then look at the players he signed for them.



Nonsense.

The irony

 

[Zatara]

Short term planning when saying Ancelotti, signing the players he did on stupid wages, did a better job at Everton than Moyes ever has

He signed James Rodriguez
1776mins
6 goals & 4 assists

& Allan.

Remind me what points and position were we in after 20 games?

I'm not convinced Silva and Ancelotti did good 'long-term' jobs at Everton, but equally it's hard to say given how much of a basket case we were under Moshiri.

However I am and remain deeply concerned about Moyes' recruitment and player development for the long term. He was good for us in his first stint because he was (and knew he was) here for absolutely forever, so he was managing knowing he was part of the long term picture too. But look at where Sunderland and West Ham ended up a couple years after he had a big hand in their recruitment. Messes on an apocalyptic scale. People say 'look what happened after he left' as if that's a positive point for the manager, but for me it's the biggest of black marks.

Is he the guy to stabilise a club in desperate need of some solid ground over the course of a year or so? Absolutely, 10/10, no notes. Is he the guy you want managing your long-term rebuild with a view to be permanently sitting at the top tables in ~5 years? Uuuhhh...

We are sitting in 12th after a 13th place finish last season.

Thats probably the definition of stablility.

As for next season where Keane, Coleman, Gana etc will be on their last legs and others who have promise who need developing...what work have we seen on pitch?

I see a CB out of position, an isolated right winger & a focus on experience to sit 12th. Not looking at next season at all.

Give him money and we'll be on the same road as Sunderland and West Ham.

He’s often the victim of his own success. There’s no doubt in my mind Moyes is an extremely good manager, he showed that in his first spell here taking a team at the bottom of the league and on an extremely low net spend moving them up the table to qualifying for Europe.

The frustration is that he doesn’t take advantage of the opportunities he makes for himself. So over the course of the season we’ll probably finish somewhere 9-12th and we can all say it’s progress which it is but you’ll look back over the fixtures and see that fantastic away wins at Bournemouth United Forest were matched with dropping points at home to Brentford West Ham, away to Leeds and Burnley, and getting zero points from Chelsea Arsenal City Liverpool Spurs Newcastle scoring only one goal.

In a league where lots of teams have Europe and are having poor seasons (Liverpool, Chelsea, United, Spurs, Newcastle) and other teams are not doing as well as previously (Forest, Bournemouth West Ham Palace Brighton) there was/is a huge opportunity to take a big leap forward.

We have a team that isn’t going to be relegated, doesn’t have Europe, knows the manager is in place and the owners are going to continue to back it. But it just feels like we’ve not grasped the nettle at times this season. The league cup being a good example.

When he says he didn’t think Keane would come through the Brentford game, it just begs the question why is he starting a player he knows isn’t fit then that player throws an absolute stinker, when JOB and Patterson were the line up that played well in the win v Forest? Barry finally gets on a roll with confidence high after a succession of starts and he’s benched for Beto v Burnley and we drop points.

Weakened team v Wolves in the cup, changed a winning team and lost to Chelsea to shove Gana back in, first 30 mins v Liverpool, McNeil on the right over Dibling, reversion to 4231 after winning with 433. They’re just unnecessary decisions which invite pressure on him and undoes all the very good work that has occurred this season.

Wolves & Sunderland will define the season at this stage.

 

[Clarky cat]

Spot on, i agree with this!

Right back situation is worrying and it seems Moyes finds JOB at RB the most sensible solution, but it's clearly suboptimal. Despite all this experimentation (and we all know he would just throw Coleman in there if he could) it seems hard to find something that works consistently. I'm not sure who you would rather have at RB? Patterson?

I think it’s forgivable away from home or against one of the best teams in the league to have O’Brien there, it makes sense that we should be taller as a team to be better in both boxes but our set pieces have been dreadful both ways as well. The tactics where Myko got higher and the back 4 became a 3 from last season have mostly been chucked in the bin.

I’d have Patterson, Rohl or even Armstrong in there if it has to be a back 4. A player who will at least be looking forwards and ingrained to be brighter when they get the ball, even having a better body shape when receiving the ball. I don’t want Garner there as he’s our best midfielder by a mile but I’d forgive it because he’s a comfortable footballer who doesn’t immediately think of going backwards. All opinions of course.

 

[Toffeelover]

Im not really sure that facts about why a manager is better than another are going to be held in the same regard as your own feeling.

It seems a bit odd to me that you cant see the wood for the trees.

At this point I'm seeing a massive bias from some pro-Moyes fans after weve been smashed by Brentford, drawn with Burnley and beaten Forest.

Wolves tonight and he should be winning this game in the same manner Brentford beat us.

Its clear that there will be the same excuses trotted out if he makes his usual errors.

The major difference with those managers and Moyes is that they dont need to hide behind experienced players and all prefer attacking football.

Top managers are able to build and rebuld teams from the ground up. Then leave behind a top side.

This is something Moyes has failed at throughout his career. Leaving behind ageing squads.

Hes done that at every club as seen when he left Everton. But it EVERY club.

All short term planning.

That is is something like I said in a post way, way back but shot down by MikeH.

 

[Toffeelover]

He signed James Rodriguez
1776mins
6 goals & 4 assists

& Allan.

Remind me what points and position were we in after 20 games?



We are sitting in 12th after a 13th place finish last season.

Thats probably the definition of stablility.

As for next season where Keane, Coleman, Gana etc will be on their last legs and others who have promise who need developing...what work have we seen on pitch?

I see a CB out of position, an isolated right winger & a focus on experience to sit 12th. Not looking at next season at all.

Give him money and we'll be on the same road as Sunderland and West Ham.



Wolves & Sunderland will define the season at this stage.

They are on their last legs now.

 

[derek duvall]

You’re like a comedy show. You don’t even realise how utterly hypocritical you are.

LOL. The Irony

 

[PercyPlant]

He signed James Rodriguez
1776mins
6 goals & 4 assists

& Allan.

Remind me what points and position were we in after 20 games?

so after being asked multiple times, that’s the best you can come up with as to why Ancelotti and Silva have done more for Everton than David Moyes? What a pathetic attempt.

 

[when i score we riot]

Im not really sure that facts about why a manager is better than another are going to be held in the same regard as your own feeling.

It seems a bit odd to me that you cant see the wood for the trees.

At this point I'm seeing a massive bias from some pro-Moyes fans after weve been smashed by Brentford, drawn with Burnley and beaten Forest.

Wolves tonight and he should be winning this game in the same manner Brentford beat us.

Its clear that there will be the same excuses trotted out if he makes his usual errors.

The major difference with those managers and Moyes is that they dont need to hide behind experienced players and all prefer attacking football.

Top managers are able to build and rebuld teams from the ground up. Then leave behind a top side.

This is something Moyes has failed at throughout his career. Leaving behind ageing squads.

Hes done that at every club as seen when he left Everton. But it EVERY club.

All short term planning.

This is a surprisingly unhinged take. What? Moyes left a bad Everton squad, a bad West Ham squad? "Leaving squads" is an offence managers do? That is positively delusional.

 

[PercyPlant]

This is a surprisingly unhinged take. What? Moyes left a bad Everton squad, a bad West Ham squad? "Leaving squads" is an offence managers do? That is positively delusional.

Off his rocker. To say Moyes isn’t Everton’s best manager of the PL era is fine but to say he’s not by a long shot is crazy. They’ve also used the word bias , I think his biases are getting in the way of common sense.

 

[Furey1878]

7 home wins in 22 since Moyes came back, that’s shocking imo

I think you have to look at the home record as far back as Ancelotti if you've got an issue with that mate. It has been awful for years. Unlike Dyche, Lampard, Benitez, Moyes can actually go and get wins away.

 

[blueboy72]

I think you have to look at the home record as far back as Ancelotti if you've got an issue with that mate. It has been awful for years. Unlike Dyche, Lampard, Benitez, Moyes can actually go and get wins away.

Yes but the team is miles better compared to what Lampard hard. The reason Moyes is here is to kick us on, that’s why he’s got the job and paid very well on top. So because it’s been awful for years, that a free pass

 

[Furey1878]

Im not really sure that facts about why a manager is better than another are going to be held in the same regard as your own feeling.

It seems a bit odd to me that you cant see the wood for the trees.

At this point I'm seeing a massive bias from some pro-Moyes fans after weve been smashed by Brentford, drawn with Burnley and beaten Forest.

Wolves tonight and he should be winning this game in the same manner Brentford beat us.

Its clear that there will be the same excuses trotted out if he makes his usual errors.

The major difference with those managers and Moyes is that they dont need to hide behind experienced players and all prefer attacking football.

Top managers are able to build and rebuld teams from the ground up. Then leave behind a top side.

This is something Moyes has failed at throughout his career. Leaving behind ageing squads.

Hes done that at every club as seen when he left Everton. But it EVERY club.

All short term planning.

I think it's an unfair critique to a degree mate. At Everton he built 2 / 3 squads, yes he left at the end of a cycle but even then, who was his last signing for us? John Stones, so he was still thinking ahead.

I don't think you can really compare Man U, Sociedad and Sunderland. At Man U, he was expected to get top 4 at an absolute minimum, and at the time Man U could be buying for the here and now. He wasn't at Sociedad long enough to say, and at Sunderland, his remit was just to try and stay up by any means necessary.

So that leaves us with West Ham , which I think is the only job you can meaningfully assess (*2nd spell onwards). He brought through young players in that time, some of his last few signings were ropey but at that time, they were trying to establish themselves as European regulars. He did leave them with an aging squad, but again, he was at the end of a cycle, I'm quite sure the rebuild would have started had his contract been extended.

Now, do I think Moyes is always good at bringing through young players? No, I definitely wouldn't say that. But his squad building is definitely not something I'd be too critical of.

Ironically, Alex Ferguson, arguably the best manager ever, left Moyes with an aging squad that needed a rebuild. Moyes should have had the bollox to start the rebuild right away, but you know, they were the champions at the time, he had never won anything, I can see why he tried to be loyal to the old guard.