Probably, but missing all 3 of them was definitely a bigger one.
Probably, but missing all 3 of them was definitely a bigger one.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Im not really sure that facts about why a manager is better than another are going to be held in the same regard as your own feeling.
It seems a bit odd to me that you cant see the wood for the trees.
At this point I'm seeing a massive bias from some pro-Moyes fans after weve been smashed by Brentford, drawn with Burnley and beaten Forest.
Wolves tonight and he should be winning this game in the same manner Brentford beat us.
Its clear that there will be the same excuses trotted out if he makes his usual errors.
The major difference with those managers and Moyes is that they dont need to hide behind experienced players and all prefer attacking football.
Top managers are able to build and rebuld teams from the ground up. Then leave behind a top side.
This is something Moyes has failed at throughout his career. Leaving behind ageing squads.
Hes done that at every club as seen when he left Everton. But it EVERY club.
All short term planning.
PercyPlant
Player Valuation: £15m
Short term planning when saying Ancelotti, signing the players he did on stupid wages, did a better job at Everton than Moyes ever has
You might not be in the big bracket of perennial Moyes doubters then, but i am trying to make the point that some people are so hung up on the criticism of Moyes that they tend to be entirely unable to give him credit.
That also applies to giving him credit for learning, or being flexible. And there is a great case to make for him improving as a manager over the years.
Yeah, he tends to be rigid with his team selections, but most managers are, and there are many reasons to not be as fickle or eager to change stuff up as us fans tend to be. One of them is trusting in the players and giving them time to improve or settle.
I'd say Moyes has gotten much better at reading the game, giving assessments of the games post-match, and especially substitutions. I even think something like the Armstrong thing is a pretty good move. Not only does he recall him, he admits he does so reluctantly and feels sorry for PNE's situation. He also deserves credit for actually playing him. I dunno how you feel about that, but that action alone is strong argument against your "comfy blanket" accusation.
I guess we can put a lot of weight on Moyes anno 2026 amount of learing or flexibility on whether McNeils gets to start at 10 again today or not
I'm not convinced Silva and Ancelotti did good 'long-term' jobs at Everton, but equally it's hard to say given how much of a basket case we were under Moshiri.
However I am and remain deeply concerned about Moyes' recruitment and player development for the long term. He was good for us in his first stint because he was (and knew he was) here for absolutely forever, so he was managing knowing he was part of the long term picture too. But look at where Sunderland and West Ham ended up a couple years after he had a big hand in their recruitment. Messes on an apocalyptic scale. People say 'look what happened after he left' as if that's a positive point for the manager, but for me it's the biggest of black marks.
Is he the guy to stabilise a club in desperate need of some solid ground over the course of a year or so? Absolutely, 10/10, no notes. Is he the guy you want managing your long-term rebuild with a view to be permanently sitting at the top tables in ~5 years? Uuuhhh...
Richard Alex
Player Valuation: £8m
I think overall he’s done a decent job. I get frustrations etc but he showed Dyche up last season with the same players. Turnover amount of players was ridiculous in the summer as the rebuild generally needs to be done gradually.
There was too much work to do on player recruitment IMO.
The full back and forward positions he needs to get in pronto.
Injuries and players away is also an Achilles for him.
Fans know he’s a good manager and also know his frailties but rather him than the managers we’ve had since he was here before. Except Carlo maybe!!!
There was too much work to do on player recruitment IMO.
The full back and forward positions he needs to get in pronto.
Injuries and players away is also an Achilles for him.
Fans know he’s a good manager and also know his frailties but rather him than the managers we’ve had since he was here before. Except Carlo maybe!!!
Amazing trying to compare Moyes with Carlo.
Like trying to compare a beautiful cooked piece of Wagyu Ribeye steak with Fray Bentos steak pie.
Like trying to compare a beautiful cooked piece of Wagyu Ribeye steak with Fray Bentos steak pie.
Clarky cat
Player Valuation: £40m
I would actually put a lot more weight on whether he puts Jake O’Brien at right back again to accommodate a clearly unfit Keane at centreback, especially as he’s had to sit and watch at least 2 defensive horror shows (Newcastle and Brentford) while simultaneously stifling any right sided attacking and isolating a young winger who hasn’t played anywhere near enough through the season. You can forgive Moyes when we play away and want to keep it tight but not when we are at home and should be taking the game to a bottom of the league plopper like Wolves.You might not be in the big bracket of perennial Moyes doubters then, but i am trying to make the point that some people are so hung up on the criticism of Moyes that they tend to be entirely unable to give him credit.
That also applies to giving him credit for learning, or being flexible. And there is a great case to make for him improving as a manager over the years.
Yeah, he tends to be rigid with his team selections, but most managers are, and there are many reasons to not be as fickle or eager to change stuff up as us fans tend to be. One of them is trusting in the players and giving them time to improve or settle.
I'd say Moyes has gotten much better at reading the game, giving assessments of the games post-match, and especially substitutions. I even think something like the Armstrong thing is a pretty good move. Not only does he recall him, he admits he does so reluctantly and feels sorry for PNE's situation. He also deserves credit for actually playing him. I dunno how you feel about that, but that action alone is strong argument against your "comfy blanket" accusation.
I guess we can put a lot of weight on Moyes anno 2026 amount of learing or flexibility on whether McNeils gets to start at 10 again today or not
I’m happy to shower him with praise when he has clearly out thought the opposition and it happens often. I’m equally annoyed when his old habits which have been proven in front of his face don’t work. This is what we were always going to get with a manager you’ve already seen the best and worst from for years. Let’s hope he realises he needs to be a lot braver tonight and that the team comes before his favourites.
Both won the same amount of trophies with Everton.
So has the fat Spanish waiter
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
He’s often the victim of his own success. There’s no doubt in my mind Moyes is an extremely good manager, he showed that in his first spell here taking a team at the bottom of the league and on an extremely low net spend moving them up the table to qualifying for Europe.
The frustration is that he doesn’t take advantage of the opportunities he makes for himself. So over the course of the season we’ll probably finish somewhere 9-12th and we can all say it’s progress which it is but you’ll look back over the fixtures and see that fantastic away wins at Bournemouth United Forest were matched with dropping points at home to Brentford West Ham, away to Leeds and Burnley, and getting zero points from Chelsea Arsenal City Liverpool Spurs Newcastle scoring only one goal.
In a league where lots of teams have Europe and are having poor seasons (Liverpool, Chelsea, United, Spurs, Newcastle) and other teams are not doing as well as previously (Forest, Bournemouth West Ham Palace Brighton) there was/is a huge opportunity to take a big leap forward.
We have a team that isn’t going to be relegated, doesn’t have Europe, knows the manager is in place and the owners are going to continue to back it. But it just feels like we’ve not grasped the nettle at times this season. The league cup being a good example.
When he says he didn’t think Keane would come through the Brentford game, it just begs the question why is he starting a player he knows isn’t fit then that player throws an absolute stinker, when JOB and Patterson were the line up that played well in the win v Forest? Barry finally gets on a roll with confidence high after a succession of starts and he’s benched for Beto v Burnley and we drop points.
Weakened team v Wolves in the cup, changed a winning team and lost to Chelsea to shove Gana back in, first 30 mins v Liverpool, McNeil on the right over Dibling, reversion to 4231 after winning with 433. They’re just unnecessary decisions which invite pressure on him and undoes all the very good work that has occurred this season.
I'm starting to wonder about the size of the pitch at BMD, we'd often make Goodison a bit narrower. (within the rules of course).
Furey1878
Player Valuation: £70m
Moyes does lots of things that annoy me now as much as they did in 2013 and earlier. He is who he is.
I think our poor results are more reflective of the squad than Moyes's failings, personally. We have the worst fullback options in the league, which limits the effectiveness of our actually quite good wingers and our whole attacking shape in possession. I wish he'd try something different here and there, and certainly make subs earlier, but I can see why he might be reluctant to say stick Patterson at right back.
I'll be cross if he doesn't play his strongest available side in the cup, though. Which he has previous for, at the end of the day, the cups are more there for the taking now with the new European format adding extra games to the better sides' schedules.
I think our poor results are more reflective of the squad than Moyes's failings, personally. We have the worst fullback options in the league, which limits the effectiveness of our actually quite good wingers and our whole attacking shape in possession. I wish he'd try something different here and there, and certainly make subs earlier, but I can see why he might be reluctant to say stick Patterson at right back.
I'll be cross if he doesn't play his strongest available side in the cup, though. Which he has previous for, at the end of the day, the cups are more there for the taking now with the new European format adding extra games to the better sides' schedules.
7 home wins in 22 since Moyes came back, that’s shocking imo
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Well it’s obviously matched by a very good away record so the overall picture does need to be taken into account.
It’s more for me the opportunities that come on a game by game basis to take a step forward. We’ve had teams such as Newcastle and Brentford who had terrible away records and we were on a high full of confidence going into them and just set our level back massively. The benefit of big away wins are being undermined by poor showings at home.
