David Moyes and transfer windfalls.

[Ihaters]

Another thread about the Man U manger?

Jesus, can we all not move on.

No, people havn't covered all technicalities that can be used to claim he was sh*t yet.
Here for example.. As long as we use only the signings bought from player sales that were really big.. (brilliantly bypassing Fellaini as that wouldn't work as a negative), and not just big signings or signings when he had money... Then it turns out, purely by chance, he is s**t at transfers.

 

[Gwladys Nights]

With Rooney :

He bought :

Lescott, who was outstanding and was sold for 22m, Andrew Johnson, who scored a lot of goals and was sold for a nice profit, AVDM, waste of talent, Phil Neville, good 6 Years, great Captain, Mikel Arteta, best Everton player for a LONG time, sold at a tidy profit and Kroldrup, I dont need to say how that went.

The Rooney money went on Beattie (£6.5m), Arteta(£2m), Neville (£3.5m), Davies (£3.5m), Kroldrup (£5m) and Van Der Meyde (£3.5m). A total of approx £24m plus wages etc. Of those you'd say Arteta was a resounding success and Neville was a good servant. The others were pretty disastrous; easily among Moyes' worst signings.

Lescott and Johnson signed about two years after Rooney had gone.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Financially we are a mid ranking club and overall Moyes bought mid rank players he never unearthed a Michu for example - he was as hit and miss as most managers - decent with defenders bog awful with creative players.

Seriously?!! I know you didn't like the man, but you undermine ANY validity your argument might have spouting crap like that.

 

[Goat]

The Rooney money went on Beattie (£6.5m), Arteta(£2m), Neville (£3.5m), Davies (£3.5m), Kroldrup (£5m) and Van Der Meyde (£3.5m). A total of approx £24m plus wages etc. Of those you'd say Arteta was a resounding success and Neville was a good servant. The others were pretty disastrous; easily among Moyes' worst signings.

Lescott and Johnson signed about two years after Rooney had gone.

Nope.

Simon Davies was bought while Rooney was still at the Club, Rooney was sold at the end of the Transfer window

The players I listed were all bought the following August, check the FACHTS please.

Joleon Lescott £5,000,000
Andy Johnson £8,600,000
Alan Stubbs Free
Andy Van der Meyde £2,000,000
Nuno Valente £1,500,000
Phil Neville £3,500,000
Mikel Arteta £2,000,000
Per Kroldrup £5,000,000

 

[Carlito]

Nope.

Simon Davies was bought while Rooney was still at the Club, Rooney was sold at the end of the Transfer window

The players I listed were all bought the following August, check the FACHTS please.

Joleon Lescott £5,000,000
Andy Johnson £8,600,000
Alan Stubbs Free
Andy Van der Meyde £2,000,000
Nuno Valente £1,500,000
Phil Neville £3,500,000
Mikel Arteta £2,000,000
Per Kroldrup £5,000,000

What an odd post.

 

[Royal Blue Jersey]

Nope.

Simon Davies was bought while Rooney was still at the Club, Rooney was sold at the end of the Transfer window

The players I listed were all bought the following August, check the FACHTS please.

Joleon Lescott £5,000,000
Andy Johnson £8,600,000
Alan Stubbs Free
Andy Van der Meyde £2,000,000
Nuno Valente £1,500,000
Phil Neville £3,500,000
Mikel Arteta £2,000,000
Per Kroldrup £5,000,000

Simon Davies came a year later you plank. Well after Rooney had left.

 

[Goat]

Simon Davies came a year later you plank. Well after Rooney had left.

Yeah, he sure did, guess I should pay more attention whilst reading.

Oh well.

History is history and Moyes is now ours.

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

No, people havn't covered all technicalities that can be used to claim he was sh*t yet.
Here for example.. As long as we use only the signings bought from player sales that were really big.. (brilliantly bypassing Fellaini as that wouldn't work as a negative), and not just big signings or signings when he had money... Then it turns out, purely by chance, he is s**t at transfers.

I love watching the goings back and forth. Admittedly it's people who are concerned about the future trying to downplay the success Moyes has had in the past but when multiple people on the other side of the Moyes transfer fence as you bring up Fellaini as a success it just makes you either look a.) idiotic b.) an inflammatory ass_ c.) illiterate ... Not a great list to pick from eh?

 

[Jags..class]

what is this thread all about. To be fair Moyes had brought some great players for us and also brought dross such as per and billy, beattie and simon davis, but got us Jags and Baines who are my favourite players, I hear he was lucky with Cahill. Over all he done better then bad, that why he lasted 11 years, its wasn't for his football we loved but his eye kept him in the job and it why we loved him.

 

[Gwladys Nights]

Nope.

Simon Davies was bought while Rooney was still at the Club, Rooney was sold at the end of the Transfer window

The players I listed were all bought the following August, check the FACHTS please.

Joleon Lescott £5,000,000
Andy Johnson £8,600,000
Alan Stubbs Free
Andy Van der Meyde £2,000,000
Nuno Valente £1,500,000
Phil Neville £3,500,000
Mikel Arteta £2,000,000
Per Kroldrup £5,000,000

Strange that Johnson and Lescott were left out against Villarreal then. You strange man.

 

[Christiffa25]

It's all a moot point anyway. In eleven yrs our squad went from poor to brilliant and just short of the teams who have spent multi millions. So overall he was a massive success in transfers. Along the way there's bound to be some that work and some that don't whether they are small signings or large signings.

A simple look at SAF signings show u can't get them all right!

 

[Moomin]

Strange that Johnson and Lescott were left out against Villarreal then. You strange man.

Should I or you start a thread on why Moyes left them out?? Moyes, has shown his true colours recently.

Spoke to Derek Acorah, he had a late night conversation with Harry Catterick who confirmed that Moyes had come to him in a dream saying " Sell Alan Ball, to Arsenal "

What a [Poor language removed] Moyes was.

 

[Ihaters]

I love watching the goings back and forth. Admittedly it's people who are concerned about the future trying to downplay the success Moyes has had in the past but when multiple people on the other side of the Moyes transfer fence as you bring up Fellaini as a success it just makes you either look a.) idiotic b.) an inflammatory ass_ c.) illiterate ... Not a great list to pick from eh?

Its not downplaying, its slating him, that's what I disagree with.

So in your opinion what? Fellaini was a failure? Not a big signing? What's your point here except that your not bothered that every other thread that comes out completely disrepects the job Moyes did?

How does mentioining Fellaini make me illiterate ffs?
I guess I may be inflametory at current, but as it happens, I thought there was an over the top amount of slating of the manager whilst he was here, now the anti Moyes PR campign is on overdrive.
I'm just not willing to sit around reading the selective drivel without responding, because despite what people are writing about him on here... Moyes did:
Spend money well
Have a small transfer spend
Play youth players
Generally speak well in the press
Have decent tactics
Play other players to a set 11
Have different tactics
Attack
Win games
Improve us
and a dozen other things that have been given their own thread or pages within a thread slating him.
I would love to know how we avoided relegation if the posts I've been reading and getting slated for countering were true.

Its fkin stupid to have a go at Moyes transfers. He was a good manager, now we have a different manager. I'd rather people moved on and talked about Martinez rather than continuing to undermine the job that Moyes did whilst he was here, but its simply not happening, so I counter the argument where appropriate. Which part of my post was not right by the way?

Apologies if there are any spelling mistakes, don't want to come across as illiterate, I guess of your three options, I must be an idiot, because I seem massivley in the minority in not understanding how the worst manager in our history improved us so much. Must be down to Kenwrights billions.

 

[nigelcoyb]

Seriously?!! I know you didn't like the man, but you undermine ANY validity your argument might have spouting crap like that.

I take it you're saying we signed Michu then? (or a similar forward for 2 million at least).

Please furnish me with the names (the season is a long way off and I could do with the entertainment) .... in your own time dear boy.

 

[blueblue]

I started the thread .
There was a question above asking what this thread is about.
It is about the opportunity for Roberto Martinez to improve on the record of David Moyes and moving our club forward from where David Moyes left off by being more successful in bringing players to our club, more especially the players signed at the higher end of our spending where the record of David Moyes is moderate at best.

Where David Moyes was at his best was bringing young players to the club and turning them into great players.
In general there are few examples of established players who came to the club and became an outstanding success.