David Moyes and transfer windfalls.

[Blue Cheese]

Not DM's biggest fan but can't complain about his transfer dealings on the whole, he did a good job, no doubt.

 

[AmokachiRideoutStuart]

It'll be really interesting to see what he does wih a bigger budget and an increased pull at United.

The best thing about Moyes signings is how long they get at the club... a lot of them stick around and aren't flash in the pans. He knew what he was doing.

 

[Ihaters]

Who were his peers?

I struggle with this old chestnut because only Wenger and SAF enjoyed the same duration of tenure and copper bottomed security in the job - makes no sense at all.

Our peers regarding transfers, would surely be the managers of teams who spent similar funds over the 11 years, rather than just managers who have been in the same job for the same amount of time irregardless of spending power.

These would be teams like Swansea, Norwich, Newcastle, Fulham, West Brom, as that is the financial level Moyes operated at whilst with us.. although with WBA we are talking about them spending nearly 4 times as much as Moyes had to play with over that time period.

http://transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-2003-to-date.html

Alternatively it would be a measure of players bought by the managers regardless of team, don't have that data as such but you can work it out from here.

http://transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/managers-comparisons.html

Classing Ferguson as his peer when it comes to transfers, just because he was there for a long time, doesn't make sense, SAF spent vast sums of money so the two don't compare at all, and he was there a lot longer than Moyes was with us so doesn't even relate on that side of things.

Wenger is perhaps the closest as he spent similar but with huge wages, but he's a transfer legend imo and whilst he's going a bit backwards at the moment, the likes of Henry and co were immense signings that I don't think have been rivalled since the start of the PL.

Just my opinion like, but I think as far as transfers are concerned his peers should relate closer to transfer fees spent and recouped than duration of tenure or solidity of job... something Moyes earnt by being boss at transfers.

 

[Toffeelover]

In all honesty this strikes me as a totally needles thread, Moyes has gone, forget him and move on. His record on transfers, tactics etc is just tha an historical record. What is the point of raking over the past.

 

[Quim]

Nope.

Simon Davies was bought while Rooney was still at the Club, Rooney was sold at the end of the Transfer window

The players I listed were all bought the following August, check the FACHTS please.

Joleon Lescott £5,000,000
Andy Johnson £8,600,000
Alan Stubbs Free
Andy Van der Meyde £2,000,000
Nuno Valente £1,500,000
Phil Neville £3,500,000
Mikel Arteta £2,000,000
Per Kroldrup £5,000,000

I'd love to bump into you lad

 

[FTY]

I'd love to bump into you lad

It's not hard mate.

 

[MartSlinger]

Why does this thread even exist?!

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

Its not downplaying, its slating him, that's what I disagree with.

So in your opinion what? Fellaini was a failure? Not a big signing? What's your point here except that your not bothered that every other thread that comes out completely disrepects the job Moyes did?

How does mentioining Fellaini make me illiterate ffs?
I guess I may be inflametory at current, but as it happens, I thought there was an over the top amount of slating of the manager whilst he was here, now the anti Moyes PR campign is on overdrive.
I'm just not willing to sit around reading the selective drivel without responding, because despite what people are writing about him on here... Moyes did:
Spend money well
Have a small transfer spend
Play youth players
Generally speak well in the press
Have decent tactics
Play other players to a set 11
Have different tactics
Attack
Win games
Improve us
and a dozen other things that have been given their own thread or pages within a thread slating him.
I would love to know how we avoided relegation if the posts I've been reading and getting slated for countering were true.

Its fkin stupid to have a go at Moyes transfers. He was a good manager, now we have a different manager. I'd rather people moved on and talked about Martinez rather than continuing to undermine the job that Moyes did whilst he was here, but its simply not happening, so I counter the argument where appropriate. Which part of my post was not right by the way?

Apologies if there are any spelling mistakes, don't want to come across as illiterate, I guess of your three options, I must be an idiot, because I seem massivley in the minority in not understanding how the worst manager in our history improved us so much. Must be down to Kenwrights billions.

As I posted I feel the Moyes hate is of a nervous sort sir. No I do not believe the Fellaini transfer was a failure, take your finger off the button. To me it is stupid to sit around defending a guy that has a job elsewhere on a forum where nothing anyone posts really matters so just sit back relax and turn it from an 11 to about a 4.

 

[Ihaters]

As I posted I feel the Moyes hate is of a nervous sort sir. No I do not believe the Fellaini transfer was a failure, take your finger off the button. To me it is stupid to sit around defending a guy that has a job elsewhere on a forum where nothing anyone posts really matters so just sit back relax and turn it from an 11 to about a 4.

To me, defending a manager who has been the best thing to happen to us for nearly two decades ago, is entirely the correct thing to do.
When every aspect of his managerial ability and character is being dragged through the mud, I will put the other side of the argument across, because he's got my respect for what he did for Everton football club, and that on a personal level means a lot to me.

If its not the right way to send the manager off for you, fair enough, slate him, ignore him, whatever, for me he's been too positive for this club to deserve the threads and posts going around over the last month.
Saying that, over the last few days, apart from a few childish, hiding behind the masks comments, most people are back to being pretty civil, perhaps things are starting to chill.

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

To me, defending a manager who has been the best thing to happen to us for nearly two decades ago, is entirely the correct thing to do.
When every aspect of his managerial ability and character is being dragged through the mud, I will put the other side of the argument across, because he's got my respect for what he did for Everton football club, and that on a personal level means a lot to me.

If its not the right way to send the manager off for you, fair enough, slate him, ignore him, whatever, for me he's been too positive for this club to deserve the threads and posts going around over the last month.
Saying that, over the last few days, apart from a few childish, hiding behind the masks comments, most people are back to being pretty civil, perhaps things are starting to chill.

Where in my posts did I say I didn't rate Moyes as a manager? I didn't agree with everything he did but he was a definite positive for the club. I happen to also believe it was the right time for him to go regardless of whether Utd were out of manager or not. The right way to send off the manager already happened though. Goodison thanked him and there were hardly any who didn't applaud the man.

 

[Ihaters]

Where in my posts did I say I didn't rate Moyes as a manager? I didn't agree with everything he did but he was a definite positive for the club. I happen to also believe it was the right time for him to go regardless of whether Utd were out of manager or not. The right way to send off the manager already happened though. Goodison thanked him and there were hardly any who didn't applaud the man.

Where in my post did I say you didn't?

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

To me, defending a manager who has been the best thing to happen to us for nearly two decades ago, is entirely the correct thing to do.
When every aspect of his managerial ability and character is being dragged through the mud, I will put the other side of the argument across, because he's got my respect for what he did for Everton football club, and that on a personal level means a lot to me.

If its not the right way to send the manager off for you, fair enough, slate him, ignore him, whatever, for me he's been too positive for this club to deserve the threads and posts going around over the last month.
Saying that, over the last few days, apart from a few childish, hiding behind the masks comments, most people are back to being pretty civil, perhaps things are starting to chill.

This is an implication sir.

 

[Ihaters]

This is an implication sir.

That's nothing like an implication.. Defend him, slate him, ignore or whatever pretty much covers every option, and is defo not suggesting you don't rate Moyes?
More importantly though.. That yellow is hideous.