David Moyes and transfer windfalls.

[EvertruvianMan]

Even the Rooney deal, which had been coming for months (Stretford and crocodile tears!) was a deal which saw £10mill down and another £10mill the summer after + occasional add ons relating to successes and appearances as well as signing another contract.
Is £10million a big enough windfall to compare it to the £22 - £24 million we got when Lescott went to City? In both cases the deals were done late, which is why we were held over a barrel by portsmouth for Distin (about £6mill).
When Rooney went we brought Cahill and Bent in. Radzinski went to Fulham as well.
For me, Heitinga was bought as a utility man, a big reputation and able to play holding mid as well as right footer CB. Maybe he could stroll about in Spain, but he has been found sorely wanting in the EPL there. Not a RB either, but a solid CB with a cool head - so long as he's bothering. £6.5mill for a Dutch international was a lot - especially for a utility man, but a great season 11-12 looked like he had turned the corner and was ready to be a player for us. What a difference a single summer can make.
Bily flopped, £9mill for another established international, could he make the transition? No. Sweet left foot like, and looked a good AM for Russia, but was never going to oust Cahill for the AM/striker foil slot. £5mill back was a significant loss for us, but thats how some transfers work out. Had Pienaar been successful in Germany, Moyes would never have had a chance to get him let alone so cheaply. See also Arteta, Mikel.
We have mugged Fulham off a couple of times, a couple of Million made on Injury nightmare Andy Johnson and before him getting anything at all for Simon Davies.
Losing near enough £10 million on Yakubu hurt. A lot. But we were lucky to get Arteta and Jagielka back after terrible injuries so law of averages meant someone wouldnt make it back from injury - it was Yak and his ruptured achiles.

'Knife to a gunfight' did sound a bit silly, definitely overly dramatic, Beattie was a fail, Johnson just above average, Yakubu regardless of all those first season goals was a fail, and Fellaini is a big success. They are the chain of record breaking transfers Moyes was allowed to make.
Its very clear Moyes was more comfortable and had more room for error when spending £6mill or less, maybe because it never meant losing all that much if the player failed or because the club had the resources to take a bad transfer on the chin and give him another go.

 

[Marco Materazzi]

If man Utd sell Rooney, do we get any money?

 

[roydo]

If man Utd sell Rooney, do we get any money?

Percentage of profit I recall, so very unlikely IMO.

 

[Goat]

His big money signings were disappointing.

His top five most expensive:

Marouane Fellaini -- £15m, big risk, mis-used at times but definitely worthy of being our record signing.

Yakubu Aiyegbeni -- £11m, great first season, and then (for whatever reason) became completely ineffective like all strikers under Moyes. Sold for a pathetic fee. Awful, awful bit of business.

Diniyar Bilyaletdinov -- £8.9m, I liked the lid but he was either never played centrally where he might have shined or depending on your outlook, was always a wide player -- just not a very good one. If so, why did Moyes by a LM when we had so many weak points in the team, and that wasn't one? And a crap LM at that. Shocking business, another loss made.

Andy Johnson -- £8.6m, Crap player in my opinion. A one season wonder. Somehow we made a profit on him but that can't be claimed to be part of Moyes' ambitions when signing him. Clearly he was a poor signing for the team. But lol Fulham.

James Beattie -- £6-7m, Championship player. Utterly gash. Crap business.


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Just is all just your viewpoint.

Fellaini was an outstanding buy, risky yes, but we have got our moneys worth and he will be sold at a great profit.

Yakubu was another great buy, who knows how it would have turned out without the injury and the constant crying for a pay rise, we lost 9m on him, but overall, its not like he was a bad buy, as such.

I dont need to comment on Bily, we all agree how that went.

I really liked AJ, he scored goals and he ran them channels like a good un, sold for a profit as well, good business overall IMO.

We "only" suffered a 2m loss, he was highly rated when bought tho, surprised how it turned out, but overall a terrible player in hindsight.

So 2 hits, 1 draw and 2 misses, not bad, not good.

Combined fees 49.5m
Sales 23m plus a Fellaini.

 

[EvertruvianMan]

If man Utd sell Rooney, do we get any money?

No, it was bargained away when we got Neville and Howard years ago. And the % was IIRC 25% of anything over what they paid us for him. So depending on who or what you believe they'd have to flog him for more than £25-£30million and we would have got 25% of anything extra. Cant see it even if the deal was still there.

 

[Christiffa25]

His big money signings were disappointing.

His top five most expensive:

Marouane Fellaini -- £15m, big risk, mis-used at times but definitely worthy of being our record signing.

Yakubu Aiyegbeni -- £11m, great first season, and then (for whatever reason) became completely ineffective like all strikers under Moyes. Sold for a pathetic fee. Awful, awful bit of business.

Diniyar Bilyaletdinov -- £8.9m, I liked the lid but he was either never played centrally where he might have shined or depending on your outlook, was always a wide player -- just not a very good one. If so, why did Moyes by a LM when we had so many weak points in the team, and that wasn't one? And a crap LM at that. Shocking business, another loss made.

Andy Johnson -- £8.6m, Crap player in my opinion. A one season wonder. Somehow we made a profit on him but that can't be claimed to be part of Moyes' ambitions when signing him. Clearly he was a poor signing for the team. But lol Fulham.

James Beattie -- £6-7m, Championship player. Utterly gash. Crap business.



Now I'd use those top four as the only examples of us spending what I'd call, for us, big money. Beattie was ranked sixth on transfermrkt but only because for some reason they have VDM in fourth... so I suppose, although he was a crap signing you could argue Baines, Lescott, Mirallas as examples of £6m ish signings that were ace. Point is though, with a decent wedge, he's only done well with Fellaini. All of that said, he still didn't know how to use him effectively!

Really don't agree with that on the whole. Some points are factually correct but your certainly using them to your advantage to have a pop at moyes.

Fellaini - Excellent business, 5yrs or so of service before he will eventually move on for a profit. Used incorrectly at times in your opinion, prefer him deeper myself but start of last season it was a masterstroke playing him high up the pitch.

Yak - excellent for a season, and still very good up until his injury, to claim he was a waste of space after first season is a little
un-true. Shocking fee we ended up with for him but yak was playing his part in that by letting his contract run down after failing to perform after injury. Was a tricky situation really.

Billy - If you read the interview's with moyes soon after his arrival, he says he signed billy for the LM role with the view of moving pienaar onto the right (his original posistion actually) billy didn't work out and was eventually sold, his money being used again to buy jelavic. Pretty sure for 6 months everyone was thrilled with jelavic!

AJ - I loved him tbh, Wenger cursed him, then moyes perhaps also decided he wanted a different style forward so sold him on for a profit. Nothing wrong with that.

James beatie - Can't remember loads about him tbh, think this was When I was at an age of constant boozing and being more interested in shagging birds than how well beatie was performing. Don't remember thinking of him to badly but hey... You can have that one!

 

[RFUS]

Really don't agree with that on the whole. Some points are factually correct but your certainly using them to your advantage to have a pop at moyes.

I'm not. I countered Beattie myself and mentioned Mirallas, Lescott etc. Moyes was a wizard when spending £6m ish or less, but on the four occasions he spent more than that, only one was a successful signing. That's not disputable.

Your reasoning for the flops is more agenda-fuelled than anything I've said. So what if he wanted to shift Pienaar to RM? Bily was a bad buy. And also, Pienaar's always looked a bit gash on the right anyway.

My support of the Yak is well-known -- just check the vaults -- but we made a huge loss and got a poor goal return. Regardless of the theories as to his demise, the demise was indisputable. His goal record after that first season was very poor.

 

[nigelcoyb]

Financially we are a mid ranking club and overall Moyes bought mid rank players he never unearthed a Michu for example - he was as hit and miss as most managers - decent with defenders bog awful with creative players.

His bigger money transactions weren't great but it's a numbers game getting loads of 2 bob players gives you more chance of hitting paydirt than gambling on one or two high price players and it shows.

Hopefully a fresh start with Martinez and his different mindset will bring improvement in "creative/forward" transfers regardless of price - more importantly let's hope he can bring on some of the youth players - they cost fck all.

 

[Timak]

Financially we are a mid ranking club and overall Moyes bought mid rank players he never unearthed a Michu for example - he was as hit and miss as most managers - decent with defenders bog awful with creative players.

His bigger money transactions weren't great but it's a numbers game getting loads of 2 bob players gives you more chance of hitting paydirt than gambling on one or two high price players and it shows.

Hopefully a fresh start with Martinez and his different mindset will bring improvement in "creative/forward" transfers regardless of price - more importantly let's hope he can bring on some of the youth players - they cost fck all.

Eh?

He didn't sign Michu - that is true.

However he did sign Coleman, Baines, Lescott and Jagielka. All of who could be or were sold for multiples of their original fee.
He did sign Cahill, Arteta, Fellaini, Pienaar all of whom gave multiple years of excellent performances before either being sold for profits or being amongst our best players.

 

[electricblue]

The Yak was a superb buy and well worth the price at the time. Then he ruptured his Achilles tendon and was never the same player. That's not anybody's fault, just bad luck.

And even if he hadn't he would still have been sold at a loss, just not as much. That's football. You can't blame anyone for that. We were crying out for a PROVEN goalscorer at the time and splashing the cash without being concerned about selling on for a profit in the future was what was needed then.

 

[RFUS]

Eh?

He didn't sign Michu - that is true.

However he did sign Coleman, Baines, Lescott and Jagielka. All of who could be or were sold for multiples of their original fee.
He did sign Cahill, Arteta, Fellaini, Pienaar all of whom gave multiple years of excellent performances before either being sold for profits or being amongst our best players.

I think he might have been referring to Michu as he's a striker.

Moyes spent decent wedges on a few strikers, who never worked out. Yet he managed to spent tiny fees on midfielders/defenders who went on to be ace.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

David who?

 

[Goat]

I think he might have been referring to Michu as he's a striker.

Moyes spent decent wedges on a few strikers, who never worked out. Yet he managed to spent tiny fees on midfielders/defenders who went on to be ace.

Michu aint all that.

Reckon he will score 5 next Season.

 

[RFUS]

Michu aint all that.

Reckon he will score 5 next Season.

You can only say someone isn't a one season wonder when they've had more than one season, so yeah, who knows. I think he was overhyped a bit, personally.

 

[Allezfan]

Another thread about the Man U manger?

Jesus, can we all not move on.