Council pushing for EFC & LFC as enablers to Open Outer Loop Line

[Muggins]

I'm pushed for time mate, can you outline what it is you propose?

 

[Inner-city]

I'm pushed for time mate, can you outline what it is you propose?

Pay attention at the back!!! I am not proposing anything. I am informing you of what the Council are doing. Read the first post. It is easy to understand.

 

[Inner-city]

My God! John Aldridge going to a game.

 

[Muggins]

Pay attention at the back!!! I am not proposing anything. I ma informing you of what the Council are doing. read the first post. It is easy to understand.

Okay mate, thanks for the information.

What does it all mean in simple terms. You've seen my mode of transport, how does this affect me??

 

[Inner-city]

Okay mate, thanks for the information.

What does it all mean in simple terms. You've seen my mode of transport, how does this affect me??

The luggage compartment can do you.

 

[Muggins]

The luggage compartment can do you.

You're dodging the question you bad politician..!!

 

[linglong]

Muggins are you riding one of these bad boys?

Muggs on his way to the game.

lol i always thought they should have come with their own theme music,say the A team music or something like that

 

[Muggins]

lol i always thought they should have come with their own theme music,say the A team music or something like that

The horn plays Z-Cars.

Beat that.

 

[neonleon]

The horn plays Z-Cars.

Beat that.

Can you imagine riding one of them outside our stadium decked out in full kopite regalia, playing YNWA after Goodison kicks out.

 

[Philw]

When a team competes at the top and wins the gates are good. It is when they have 5 years at mid-table. That is when you judge support. That is when the facilities and comfortable access matters. That ensures high gates when you need them to bounce back.

Analysts are not stupid. Arsenal had a 40,000ish crap ground before they moved. The 27 platforms of rapid-transit mattered BIG TIME. Read the first post again. Look at why Spurs were to build basically Two stadia.

People go to the game for the former, not the latter. Runcorn Utd could have all the facitilies and access in the world and 60,000 aren't gonna turn up to watch them. Btw have you been to The Emirates? I went last season (Lando's debut ) and you still have the same problems with going via public transport as you do any other stadium ive been to (from new Wembley/O2 to Selhurst Park/Fratton Park): at the end of the game you have to walk several hundred meters or more and spend half an hour queuing with everyone else to get on the train.

 

[BlackToffee]

Arsenal FC's Emirates stadium has six surrounding rapid-transit
railway stations. The whole 60,000 can be shifted quite quickly by
using rapid-transit rail. The key point to the success of the stadium,
which since 2006 has been at over 97% full, is the ease of access
served by the rapid-transit rail stations. The six stations immediately
surrounding the Emirates stadium provide a total of 27 platforms,
with 29 on weekdays.

The success of Arsenal FC, a club the size of Everton FC when at
their old Highbury ground with a ground very similar to Everton's
Goodison Park and similar sized fanbase focuses the mind to the key
of a successful stadium.

First, I'm on board with the idea of a rapid transport system. Whether its the Outer Loop I really cant say. My first concern is the assertion by Inner City that the Council is trying to bring all parties together to discuss this. He posted this link http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/...?ID=10728&T=11 claiming that this showed that the Council were committed to talking to Everton & the RS about the loop, but the minutes makes no such claims. The text that he quoted in blue in his first post was a question from an unattributable source, not a Council manifesto commitment. So if the Council have made such a public commitment to do so, I'd appreciate the link to the correct public documents so that I can see it for myself.

For my sins I've lived near both spuds and arse grounds. The distance between the 40,000 Highbury Stadia and the 60,000 Emirates is one mile. . Is anyone seriously trying to argue that the addition of transport to an already over served transport area is the major factor in shipping in an extra 20,000 per home game?

I can think of more substantial factors such as a successful team (not in terms of trophies but league positions and competing in the Champions league), an already existing waiting list for seats, a very low turnover of support leaking to other teams. I just think that the argument for a loop is arse to face. People don't support a team simply because that team has great transport links.

For Everton to re-build GP it has been estimated as £250m, and we are only 1 mile from the city centre. To move GP would cost between £300 - 400m plus the contribution to transport. And yes, Everton could borrow that money, but the reality is that they do not have the collateral to pay it back if we faced real financial difficulties. Borrowing the money is not the issue, the issue is convincing the bank that they will get their money back if we went bust, because GP as land is not worth £250m.

 

[Inner-city]

First, I'm on board with the idea of a rapid transport system. Whether its the Outer Loop I really cant say. My first concern is the assertion by Inner City that the Council is trying to bring all parties together to discuss this. He posted this link http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/...?ID=10728&T=11 claiming that this showed that the Council were committed to talking to Everton & the RS about the loop, but the minutes makes no such claims.

They clearly do and I posted some of them. You have a habit of not reading properly - read back on the thread.

The text that he quoted in blue in his first post was a question from an unattributable source, not a Council manifesto commitment.

The link was given and you posted the link.

So if the Council have made such a public commitment to do so, I'd appreciate the link to the correct public documents so that I can see it for myself.

The link was given.

For my sins I've lived near both spuds and arse grounds. The distance between the 40,000 Highbury Stadia and the 60,000 Emirates is one mile. . Is anyone seriously trying to argue that the addition of transport to an already over served transport area is the major factor in shipping in an extra 20,000 per home game?

Yes. Over 98% full since 20006. Unprecedented in the world. Read that again. Arsenal got the local Council to compulsory purchase business units to get the site because of the local rapid-transit transport connections.

I can think of more substantial factors such as a successful team (not in terms of trophies but league positions and competing in the Champions league), an already existing waiting list for seats, a very low turnover of support leaking to other teams.

You might do but you are wrong. Look at what Spurs were doing over the Olympic stadium.

I just think that the argument for a loop is arse to face. People don't support a team simply because that team has great transport links.

Indirectly they do.

< snip nonsense about rebuilding Goodison Park >

 

[Inner-city]

People go to the game for the former, not the latter. Runcorn Utd could have all the facitilies and access in the world and 60,000 aren't gonna turn up to watch them.

But they are not in the Premier

Btw have you been to The Emirates? I went last season (Lando's debut ) and you still have the same problems with going via public transport as you do any other stadium ive been to

Look at a rail map - 27 rapid-transit rail platform around the stadium.

 

[chicoazul]

If people only read first then they would understand.

 

[Muggins]

If people only read first then they would understand.

Too much info to read and take in mate. I like your posts better.

Short and sweet.