Council pushing for EFC & LFC as enablers to Open Outer Loop Line

[bluebloodinmyveins]

My answer is Na. Or Na Na Na Na Na Na Na........

 

[Inner-city]

How likely is it that the Government will be willing to finance the project if both us and Liverpool do get on board bearing in mind that the Department of Transport will be recieving cuts to its budget until at least 2014? I don't see too many reasons against it, if it would improve the chances of us managing to get planning permission/finance for a new stadium nearer to the line.

Liverpool is owed investment as the city had money allocated but got none because of the ill-conceived tram project. While others cities got complete tram schemes. Crossrail in London costed £18 BILLION. this will cost around £80 million, which is buttons. The trackbed and bridges are there. When the CC recedes Liverpool is top of the list. The point is that since the Merseytram collapse, Merseytravel does not even present schemes to be even rejected by the Transport Department in London. Merseytravel have wasted at least 10 years in running for this inappropriate tram scheme. Even after it was cancelled they were still spending millions on CPOs and acquiring land for it. Madness. If Merseytravel had put forward decent schemes, to say reactivate the link from the underground city centre to Edge Hill, serving the east of the city it may have received funding before the CC hit home.

The city needs an inter-district metro, that will pull up the inner-cities, not glorified extensions to the existing commuter-rail network serving mainly those outside the city, giving Neal Scales of Merseytravel (a Quango) a regional railway.

The Council want EFC and LFC to be on the line, not near it. Say LFC get a 75,000 seater on the Line and EFC 60,000. The average say is 70,000 between the two. That is approx 60 games a year. That is 4,2 million. Say 3/4 go by rail, inc park & ride, that is over 3 million per year using the rail line, only for footy, Then there are the arena and LFC and EFC events and normal traffic on the line, which should be a big success with the new rolling stock companies are tendering for. That is enough to get the Dept for Transport giving out money, once the CC recedes.

 

[chicoazul]

Do we get trams too? This would be great.

 

[Inner-city]

Good work....but isn't this all just council ****wittery ? The likelihood of EFC managing to get the Statue of Dixie moved back ontime is slim.

Btw I think you have a point and a plan......just not an implementable one

I have a point that is clear. Not my plan. I am just telling you what the Council are doing. Getting EFC and LFC together to get the line operative. The success of Arsenal's stadium has made all clubs sit back and look. Liverpool has a rapid-transit rail network, and not using it for both clubs is downright stupidity.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Inner city x

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Warren bradley or Joe Anderson, gotta be.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Do we get trams too? This would be great.

This image suddenly springs to mind

 

[peskyrobot]

Before they moved (a move literally down the road), they had one of the most connected stadia in London. No two mile walk as in spuds.

Their success is down to success on the pitch and a massive waiting list of fans wanting to go the game. What the transport does it make the match day experience better, but its not the key to their success. They were already successful in a very connected part of London.

I would also add that some of the promises they made on transport weren't fulfilled which led to defeats for the ruling party at the local election as some angry independents were subsequently voted onto the Council.

Arsenal is not a very good example, though I have no problem with the rapid transport concept.

Arsenal FC's Emirates stadium has six surrounding rapid-transit
railway stations. The whole 60,000 can be shifted quite quickly by
using rapid-transit rail. The key point to the success of the stadium,
which since 2006 has been at over 97% full, is the ease of access
served by the rapid-transit rail stations. The six stations immediately
surrounding the Emirates stadium provide a total of 27 platforms,
with 29 on weekdays.

The success of Arsenal FC, a club the size of Everton FC when at
their old Highbury ground with a ground very similar to Everton's
Goodison Park and similar sized fanbase focuses the mind to the key
of a successful stadium.

 

[chicoazul]

I reckon that a boycott of Merseyrail for an agreed date may give them a clear message that we won't accept them getting fat on the profits they make from us.

 

[bluebloodinmyveins]

Now let me welcome everybody to the wild, North west
A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness
The track hits ya eardrum like a slug to ya chest
Pack a vest for your Jimmy in the city of sex
We in that sunshine state with a bomb ass hemp beat
the state where ya never find a dance floor empty
And pimps be on a mission for them greens,
lean mean money-makin-machines servin fiends
I been in the game for ten years makin rap tunes
ever since honeys was wearin sassoon
Now it's 2011 and they clock me and watch me
Diamonds shinin', lookin' like I robbed Liberace
It's all good, from Liverpool to the Bay
Inner city is tha bomb if your makin Trains pay
Throw up a finger if ya feel the same way
INNER CITY NA NA NA NA

 

[Inner-city]

Before they moved (a move literally down the road), they had one of the most connected stadia in London. No two mile walk as in spuds.
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Their success is down to success on the pitch

1. Arsenal have won ZILTCH!!, yet the stadium is 98.5% full.
2. Arsenal had to persuade the council to Compulsory Purchase small business units so Arsenal could get the site. They chose the site because of the rapid-transit rail access.

 

[Inner-city]

Nothing to do with on the pitch success or having a huge and wealthy fan base in one of the largest cities in the world?

1. Arsenal have won NOTHING in 5 years.
2. The city of Manchester is not rich yet can support 76,000 a game in one of its clubs.

 

[Inner-city]

Inner-city, I'd like to thank you for your extensive article on this. Makes interesting reading indeed.

thanks.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Inner city xxx

MATE!?!?!

 

[MaccaBill]

Hmmm...Man U get 75k with a stadium that is one of the most poorly served by public transport for an urban area. It's a real conundrum, their success at getting 75k or thereabouts given the absence of a rapid transit stem.

If we're going to split hairs, Arsenal's get 60k because of their relative success (top 4, finals and semi's here and there, style of football, history coincident with current popularity of football ); Arsenal do not get 60k BECAUSE of the tube system - sure it helps, but people would get there anyhow, despite instances such as the total snarl up of the Victoria line when we played them last.