Council pushing for EFC & LFC as enablers to Open Outer Loop Line

[chicoazul]

Mick you beast it's the lyrics to Goldie's classic Inner City Life.

The Pools Panel Result: ON TOPIC.

 

[Goat]

Action.

 

[Brownie]

Vote No

 

[Inner-city]

can't we decommision this station?

The Goodison Park stadium is being decommissioned for sure. It is getting then right one, in the right place with the right facilities and transport connections. Simple. Moyes wants a shared stadium - he said a few days ago. If this materializes expect the stadium to be on a rail line. LFC could not go over 60,000 unless they opened up the Canada Dock Branch Line.

 

[zed]

The Goodison Park stadium is being decommissioned for sure. It is getting then right one, in the right place with the right facilities and transport connections. Simple. Moyes wants a shared stadium - he said a few days ago. If this materializes expect the stadium to be on a rail line. LFC could not go over 60,00 unless they opened up the Canada Dock Branch Line.

moyes wanted us to move to kirkby too. wasnt a good idea as it turned out pfft!

 

[Inner-city]

moyes wanted us to move to kirkby too. wasnt a good idea as it turned out pfft!

Kirkby was a good idea. The problem was that is was not thought out properly. The transport was bad - a major sticking point. It needed the Kirkby Merseyrail station uprated to 4 to 6 platforms to shift 40,000 per hour. The station is an interchange and also does diesel service the other way to Wigan and Manchester as well. So ideal in grabbing mid-Lanacashire fans.

The stadium was too small and too naff.

 

[ijjysmith]

Will the station have trains to Southampton?

 

[Inner-city]

Will the station have trains to Southampton?

Which station? Why would anyone ever want to go to Southampton?

 

[The T-Dex]

They only have trains out I heard.

 

[Inner-city]

A good stadium site for Everton, and maybe Moyes' shared stadium, would be in the fields on the other side of Finch Farm EFC's training ground, in light blue on map, between Finch Farm and the A5300 junction which runs onto the M57 and the M62. The Liverpool-Manchester (Warrington, Widnes, etc) line is adjacent and a high throughput station can be built with the line electrified to that point and Merseyrail trains run in. South Parkway is just a few stops back down the line. If the mothballed outer Loop Line (West Derby, Childwall, Aintree, Walton in light blue) is recommissioned access is superb. The line can continue to Hale village and the airport, killing many birds with one stone.

ignore the circle. The large pink square is ideal for a stadium. The smaller pink square is EFC's training ground.

The Finch Farm site is good indeed.

• The eastern section of the Outer Loop line is mothballed (in pink), complete with bridges. It runs though Gateacre, Childwall, West Derby, etc, and right onto Halewood - and airport if extended.
• The Northern Line runs into the city centre.
• Airport is adjacent.
• Direct routes can be to the Wirral - one third of season ticket holders are in the Wirral.
• The airport needs a rail station. The line will run past Finch Farm. EFC, (maybe LFC) Peel, and other public agencies can all contribute.
• Tons of space to expand and for car parks, which can be used by Liverpool FC in park and ride to their stadium, which ideally will be on the recommissioned Outer Loop Line, in light blue.

It all falls into place.

This would be just outside the city boundary, as is Finch Farm, but ideal. Who cares if the club is just inside or outside the city limits. Most don't care a hoot. I do not.

One big EFC (or Moyes' shared stadium) complex with great rapid-transit transport links to get to and from zippo. Guaranteed success.

One thing is certain the stadium issue will NOT stay dormant for much longer.

 

[caught]

Inner-city: if your proposals are so air-tight, what reasons would EFC/LFC have not to go for them? Please don't say anything like "lack of forsight/innovative thinking". It seems reasonable to guess that there are some problems with what you're suggesting, too.

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

Inner-city: if your proposals are so air-tight, what reasons would EFC/LFC have not to go for them? Please don't say anything like "lack of forsight/innovative thinking". It seems reasonable to guess that there are some problems with what you're suggesting, too.

Cost maybe? Liverpool council can't afford it at the moment and Westminster isn't willing to invest much, certainly not on Merseyside.

 

[Inner-city]

Inner-city: if your proposals are so air-tight, what reasons would EFC/LFC have not to go for them? Please don't say anything like "lack of forsight/innovative thinking". It seems reasonable to guess that there are some problems with what you're suggesting, too.

I am not the only voice in the dark. Many others are making sound similar suggestions. For a large stadium the Council are insisting rapid/mass-transit rail - the only positive step by them. The Council need to get all parties together. LFC or EFC are not going to get Merseyrail and the DfT to open a line or suggest a suitable site for the opposite club, etc. Only the Council can do that. EFC could not even think of upgrading Kirkby station to get its stadium through planning - the most obvious thing to do to promote EFCs business and get it through, but they never. It needs a body above the two clubs to take hold and action matters.

The mayor appears lacking in his knowledge of the rail infrastructure awaiting to expand Merseyrail to promote his own city - and how this can also promote the football business of the city. It is amazing how many in high positions are so ignorant of what is before their very noses.

Put yourself in Mayor Anderson's position, what who you do?

1. You would attempt to get Merseyrail to be a more complete hop-on hop-off metro by reusing the 4 miles of tunnel under the city and use the trackbeds awaiting on the outer. There should be a plan to get that done (he is still supporting the useless tram system, which never even integrated with Merseyrail). This will promote the city and attract companies. London's transport systems attracts companies, as does Paris, Munich, etc. They make the city run smooth.
2. You would promote the football aspect of the city, which is great for thye image of the city and business if done right - two clubs are looking for new stadia at the same time.

Any responsible mayor would do 1 & 2 above to promote the city and improve economy and the lifestyle of the citizens. This would be a priority. We see nothing. What does he do?

No. 2 above means getting many parties involved in a master plan. A football complex maybe at Walton Hall Park with adjacent large station for two staia, etc. There are many options. The mayor stares into space. We may as well have daft Boris Johnson

No. 1 above is essential for the city as a whole. Liverpool Waters, the airport the new football stadia must all be on mass-transit for obvious reasons. The council must look ahead and manage the execution of such matters. All major cities in the world have and use mass-transit to great effect. But Liverpool has one but ignore it.

What to do is clear for the positive future of the city but the city elders stare into space. Only in Liverpool!

 

[Inner-city]

Cost maybe? Liverpool council can't afford it at the moment and Westminster isn't willing to invest much, certainly not on Merseyside.

First you need a viable plan. When funds are available it rolls out. There is no plan of any description. HMG will cough up if private enablers are involved. They want to see figures that growth will occur. EFC, LFC, Merseyrail, maybe Sainsbury's at Knotty Ash and get others involved would mean tipping all in the right direction and HMG coughs up. They coughed up for the Olympics. £20 billion for Crossrail. Also shouting at the London bias will embarrass them into acting.

 

[milks]

IC

Is that a river running through the middle of your proposed stadium footprint?