Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[LinekersLegs]

Better off just all biting the bullet and getting it and you'll be done and better in 6 days

Thanks but no thanks!

I might end up catching it given its transmissibility but am certainly going to go out of my way to avoid doing so for a bit, especially when medical facilities are going to be overloaded.

 

[dholliday]

Quick question is it possible too get covid twice in 3 months. Reason i ask daughter in law had it in October and as just got it again. My son as just tested positive as well two kids negative neither have symptoms only got tested because of work. Both had their vaccines not booster yet .Both tested positive on pcr, she was positive on lateral flow as well he wasn't .

The tests have been proven to be often wrong:

It is becoming more widely known that lateral flow (antigen) tests and also PCR tests are far less accurate than previously thought.

RoboScientific | PCR tests could result in false positive results for up to 90 days

Fascinating interview last night on Phil Williams Show on Times Radio with Dr Bharat Pankhania, Head of Public Health Teaching at Exeter Medical School.&nbsp

www.roboscientific.com

Firm that gave 43,000 false Covid results still processing PCR tests

Exclusive: senior Immensa staff also working on secondment to NHS Test and Trace, government confirms

www.theguardian.com

 

[dholliday]

However, his comments on the myocarditis risk, which is his area of expertise, were interesting.

We also have experts on this thread who don't think it's a big deal:

If you are worried about myocarditis then vaccination is by far the safest protection.

the side effects you‘re talking about (I.e. myocarditis) aren’t long term ones, they’re short term ones which are being reported, tracked, monitored, and used to build more data.

The Vaccine Scientist Spreading Vaccine Misinformation

Robert Malone claims to have invented mRNA technology. Why is he trying so hard to undermine its use?

www.theatlantic.com

Malone talks in depth about the character-assassination against him on the podcast. Worth a listen to get a balanced view of what he's about.

 

[dholliday]

Drug overdoses/opioid intolerances have killed 200,000 since the pandemic started. The average ages of these deaths will be much lower than the average age of Covid deaths.

Have the Americans been fighting the wrong pandemic?

 

[LinekersLegs]

Quick question is it possible too get covid twice in 3 months. Reason i ask daughter in law had it in October and as just got it again. My son as just tested positive as well two kids negative neither have symptoms only got tested because of work. Both had their vaccines not booster yet .Both tested positive on pcr, she was positive on lateral flow as well he wasn't .

Yes unfortunately, data from South Africa was that quite a lot of their Omicron cases were reinfections of people who had Delta and some of those were within 100 days.


Omicron appears very good at evading the antibodies acquired from either vaccination or prior infection although thankfully the protection against severe disease by the B and T cells seems retained.

T Cells Might Be Our Bodies’ Best Shot Against Omicron

The new variant may undermine some vaccine-derived defenses. But the immune system’s best assassins are likely to hold the line.

www.theatlantic.com

PCR tests can be still positive for a long time after an infection so possible that is what has happened to your son but lateral flows measure current infection levels so likely your DIL unfortunately has a reinfection although worth doing another ltf.

 

[Anders_Limpar]

jesus wept no!

it means having a think about why someone would want to ban the airing of what will likely be the most listened-to podcast in history, about the most important topic of our lifetimes. The old look in the mirror and have a think about what you're saying.

Why ban it when so many people are hungry for this alternative information? Why make that access difficult?

Vaccines have become part of the culture war. Particularly in America there is huge numbers on the republican side who have decided, based on limited knowledge or limited understanding of the science, that vaccines are bad.

These people like yourself are now desperately seeking out ‘alternative information’ to back up a flawed decision made months ago. Just because people are seeking out this information, and the likes of Rogan have worked out how to monetise this need, does not make it correct. If you can’t see this, you are as stupid as you are dangerous.

… and yes, actively encouraging others not to get vaccinated is dangerous. Please stop it.

 

[Amw79]

We also have experts on this thread who don't think it's a big deal:







Malone talks in depth about the character-assassination against him on the podcast. Worth a listen to get a balanced view of what he's about.

Another lie. Please stop quoting me and telling lies. This isn’t on.

Nowhere in there does it say I think Myocarditis isn’t a big deal. I was having a conversation and distinguishing between unknown long term effects versus known short term ones - in this case Myocarditis.

 

[Anders_Limpar]

Not in this echo chamber, but outside of here it is almost becoming accepted wisdom.

You can keep posting your stupid little picture but when you logged on this morning and called pretty much every poster calling you out psychotic, it rings a little hollow.

 

[dholliday]

Vaccines have become part of the culture war. Particularly in America there is huge numbers on the republican side who have decided, based on limited knowledge or limited understanding of the science, that vaccines are bad.

I have linked probably close to a hundred serious sources as to why the vaccines aren't all that great.

These people like yourself are now desperately seeking out ‘alternative information’ to back up a flawed decision made months ago. Just because people are seeking out this information, and the likes of Rogan have worked out how to monetise this need, does not make it correct. If you can’t see this, you are as stupid as you are dangerous.

This bit is full of wild assumptions which artificially bolster your case in your own mind (and that of your echo chamber). But you're not actually saying anything of value here. There's nothing concrete, nothing to even counter as it's just empty words.

… and yes, actively encouraging others not to get vaccinated is dangerous.

Who is actively encouraging others to not get the vaccine?

Please stop it.

I am? Where did I do that?

I'm encouraging others to be informed of data & analysis which aren't being shown by mainstream media (or this thread). I'm not gonna stop doing that, as I feel it's critically important for folk to be able to give informed consent if they do wish to take the vaccine.

When the New York Times are reporting the same stuff I am, you should ask yourself why are you in favour of banning such reporting?

Some scientists warn that too many shots might actually harm the body’s ability to fight the Covid-19 virus

 

[xena]

Yes unfortunately, data from South Africa was that quite a lot of their Omicron cases were reinfections of people who had Delta and some of those were within 100 days.


Omicron appears very good at evading the antibodies acquired from either vaccination or prior infection although thankfully the protection against severe disease by the B and T cells seems retained.

T Cells Might Be Our Bodies’ Best Shot Against Omicron

The new variant may undermine some vaccine-derived defenses. But the immune system’s best assassins are likely to hold the line.

www.theatlantic.com

PCR tests can be still positive for a long time after an infection so possible that is what has happened to your son but lateral flows measure current infection levels so likely your DIL unfortunately has a reinfection although worth doing another ltf.

Thanks Legs much appreciated.

 

[verreauxi]

I always clear up my ostensible character assassination by going on podcasts by Steve Brannon, Glen Beck, and Joe Rogan.

 

[dholliday]

Another lie. Please stop quoting me and telling lies. This isn’t on.

Where's the lie? They're your own words.

Nowhere in there does it say I think Myocarditis isn’t a big deal. I was having a conversation and distinguishing between unknown long term effects versus known short term ones - in this case Myocarditis.

Short-term, as opposed to long-term, is by definition a smaller deal...You blankly stated the vaccine side-effect of myocarditis is not long term, it's short term. hence no big deal is a fair interpretation of your post.


McCullough disagrees. Interestingly, the infamous 'fact-checkers' say the same thing you do when refuting McCullough: "short-term outcomes of myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccine are much better than those of typical viral myocarditis."

i.e. no big deal.


It's useful for on-the-fence young folk to both look at what McCullough is saying (via, for example, the Rogan podcast), and also look at what you're saying. Then decide for themselves if a booster with reduced & shorter effectiveness for what is by most accounts an average cold is worth it.


Hence...why I post what I post. I think there's at least ten times more non-active readers than posters/likers. Some info might be useful.

 

[Nymzee]

Where's the lie? They're your own words.



Short-term, as opposed to long-term, is by definition a smaller deal...You blankly stated the vaccine side-effect of myocarditis is not long term, it's short term. hence no big deal is a fair interpretation of your post.


McCullough disagrees. Interestingly, the infamous 'fact-checkers' say the same thing you do when refuting McCullough: "short-term outcomes of myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccine are much better than those of typical viral myocarditis."

i.e. no big deal.


It's useful for on-the-fence young folk to both look at what McCullough is saying (via, for example, the Rogan podcast), and also look at what you're saying. Then decide for themselves if a booster with reduced & shorter effectiveness for what is by most accounts an average cold is worth it.


Hence...why I post what I post. I think there's at least ten times more non-active readers than posters/likers. Some info might be useful.

It’s New Years Day could you not have made your resolution this year to unplug the WiFi?

 

[Amw79]

Where's the lie? They're your own words.



Short-term, as opposed to long-term, is by definition a smaller deal...You blankly stated the vaccine side-effect of myocarditis is not long term, it's short term. hence no big deal is a fair interpretation of your post.


McCullough disagrees. Interestingly, the infamous 'fact-checkers' say the same thing you do when refuting McCullough: "short-term outcomes of myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccine are much better than those of typical viral myocarditis."

i.e. no big deal.


It's useful for on-the-fence young folk to both look at what McCullough is saying (via, for example, the Rogan podcast), and also look at what you're saying. Then decide for themselves if a booster with reduced & shorter effectiveness for what is by most accounts an average cold is worth it.


Hence...why I post what I post. I think there's at least ten times more non-active readers than posters/likers. Some info might be useful.

You said I didn’t think it’s a big deal. That is a lie. My post doesn’t say, or imply that at all. You should have retracted it, but have doubled down and then spammed a load more sh!t which I’m not gonna read.

This is why I won’t engage with you, because you’ve proven yourself to be intellectually dishonest and a liar. So stop quoting me.

 

[dholliday]

You said I didn’t think it’s a big deal. That is a lie. My post doesn’t say, or imply that at all. You should have retracted it, but have doubled down and then spammed a load more sh!t which I’m not gonna read.

This is why I won’t engage with you, because you’ve proven yourself to be intellectually dishonest and a liar. So stop quoting me.

I demonstrated why you clearly implied it.

Your defensiveness is revealing.