Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

That's the Dr Robert Malone who was removed from Twitter for spreading anti-vaxx misinformation? Reported this. GOT shouldn't be somewhere where this nonsense propogates. Incidentally, here is a fact check of the garbage in that video that resulted in him being banned by Twitter.

Claims mislead about COVID-19 vaccines’ effectiveness against omicron

Missing context. While it’s true that people who are vaccinated can still get infected with omicron, early research has shown that the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing severe disease, hospitalization and death stemming from the new variant.

apnews.com

This is why I linked the fact check to the other Rogan interview (but that is just what they are, interviews). I've not listened to the Robert Malone one yet. I only tend to listen to pods when I exercise or if I can't sleep.

He also had Sanjay Gupta on a little while back who is very credible and very pro-vax

 

[dholliday]

She also managed to give Javid the totally wrong info about Omicron last week. She's a joke.

Javid should have the intelligence (and he does) to realise misinformation when he gets it & regurgitates it: e.g. that 90% figure was total propaganda bollocks.

Boris merely a week later changed the script from "unvaccinated" to "unboostered".

People are noticing these major gaps in logic more and more...and they've had enough.

 

[coollino]

Very strange how suddenly most people now trust these pharma companies...being critical and distrusting of Big Pharma was mainstream before 2020.

There has been a fair bit of mainstream criticism of them, about the profits and the patents not being waived for Africa etc

You can dislike a company but trust a product anyhow

 

[dholliday]

There has been a fair bit of mainstream criticism of them, about the profits and the patents not being waived for Africa etc

You can dislike a company but trust a product anyhow

Do you trust Pfizer?

Pfizer Corporate Full Rap Sheet

 

[Nymzee]

Do you trust Pfizer?

Pfizer Corporate Full Rap Sheet

Well I’ve had 2 of their jabs and not died so think I can safely still trust them.

 

[BlueToff]

Wait till people find out that Rogan, Russell Brand and Toby Young also make money from the content they provide, so have a financial incentive as well. Minds will explode.

Since when is Russell Brand comparable to Toby Young? Or, in fact, even Rogan comparable to Toby Young?

Young is a Tory, pomped up, privately educated tit of a journalist.

Rogan is a comedian with a hugely successful podcast who has a ton of different guests on. He doesn't seem convinced that everybody needs to have the vaccine but he interviews loads of different people.

I don't listen to the Brand podcast but the last I heard he was all about free love and the revolution.

I don't see how they're comparable, and lumping them in together isn't handy is it.

 

[dholliday]

Well I’ve had 2 of their jabs and not died so think I can safely still trust them.

Cool. And I support your thinking and decision on that. Tho' I think simply 'not dying' from them is a low bar to set for trusting them (especially as you replied to my post where I link all the dodgy stuff they're done to people's health).


As I've said several times, my bombing into this thread is based on outrageously-inhumane remarks against the unvaccinated.

I think this has improved somewhat lately...so now we're having a debate on the merits (or not) of the vaccines. I predict this will swing a little way too.

 

[dholliday]

Since when is Russell Brand comparable to Toby Young? Or, in fact, even Rogan comparable to Toby Young?

Young is a Tory, pomped up, privately educated tit of a journalist.

Rogan is a comedian with a hugely successful podcast who has a ton of different guests on. He doesn't seem convinced that everybody needs to have the vaccine but he interviews loads of different people.

I don't listen to the Brand podcast but the last I heard he was all about free love and the revolution.

I don't see how they're comparable, and lumping them in together isn't handy is it.

They're being lumped in together because they're not pro-vaccine. Rogan's not even anti-vax. Like me, he supports its use for at-risk folk.

But not being devoutly pro-vaccine is the new alt-right/right-wing/nazi/extremist/dangerous wrongun. It's become a cult belief system.

Hence...mass psychosis.

 

[Nymzee]

Cool. And I support your thinking and decision on that. Tho' I think simply 'not dying' from them is a low bar to set for trusting them (especially as you replied to my post where I link all the dodgy stuff they're done to people's health).


As I've said several times, my bombing into this thread is based on outrageously-inhumane remarks against the unvaccinated.

I think this has improved somewhat lately...so now we're having a debate on the merits (or not) of the vaccines. I predict this will swing a little way too.

Okay, well I’ve had 2 of their jabs and had zero side effects. Better?

 

[LinekersLegs]

Informative thread

 

[Amw79]

Since when is Russell Brand comparable to Toby Young? Or, in fact, even Rogan comparable to Toby Young?

Young is a Tory, pomped up, privately educated tit of a journalist.

Rogan is a comedian with a hugely successful podcast who has a ton of different guests on. He doesn't seem convinced that everybody needs to have the vaccine but he interviews loads of different people.

I don't listen to the Brand podcast but the last I heard he was all about free love and the revolution.

I don't see how they're comparable, and lumping them in together isn't handy is it.

These are all people often quoted and referenced in the anti vax / conspiracy world, and have all spent a lot of time throughout the pandemic on these issues. They’ve all been quoted as sources in this thread for that type of content. So perfectly reasonable to reference them together.

The point was that financial incentive is often used as an indicator of ulterior motive. But that charge can equally be levelled at anyone who makes money off anything, including those 3.

 

[dholliday]

These are all people often quoted and referenced in the anti vax / conspiracy world, and have all spent a lot of time throughout the pandemic on these issues. They’ve all been quoted as sources in this thread for that type of content. So perfectly reasonable to reference them together.

What about also quoting The New York Times? or The Guardian? Or dozens of other ostensibly pro-vaccine sources I've also linked to back up my arguments?

You're trying to paint a picture that the vaccine-hesitant are getting their info exclusively from anti-vax types...this isn't remotely close to the truth, as my posts have demonstrated.

But I've seen the replies my posts get...hence the theory on mass psychosis gaining traction.

 

[coollino]

Do you trust Pfizer?

Pfizer Corporate Full Rap Sheet

I guess I trust them as much as every other multi million £ company; not much

I don't shop at Amazon and it hasnt changed my life at all but boycotting big pharma would change my life so there has to be a balance

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[dholliday]

I don't shop at Amazon and it hasnt changed my life at all but boycotting big pharma would change my life so there has to be a balance

Fair point. As long as we are free to choose, then it's all fair.