Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[LinekersLegs]

Covid deaths are now lower than in August and September……sometimes you have to accept that they do get somethings right……

”They died from Delta in Aug/Sept rather than get infected with Omicron at Christmas which seems less severe” is a bit of a weird argument to make tbh.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[peteblue]

 

[bluelife]

Seems everybody I know has caught it in the past fornight or so...

 

[bluelife]

Yesterday was really tough but today much better as the fever has all but gone. Just down to cough, aches and fatigue now. Pretty rough ride for a triple vaxed 25 year old though...

 

[LinekersLegs]

Yesterday was really tough but today much better as the fever has all but gone. Just down to cough, aches and fatigue now. Pretty rough ride for a triple vaxed 25 year old though...

Hope the symptoms clear quickly mate x

 

[RAFUH]

Regional hospitals data (9 facilities). Current trajectory is concerning. This is from yesterday. Current COVID census is 120

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[dholliday]

All good mate, i think its been widely publicized the antibody and efficacy of the booster and its antibody wane. Personally i think to much focus goes on antibodies and not enough on T Cell response in protection, which the booster also stimulates.

I tend to agree with you mate, im not an advocate of vaccine mandates, thats not to say im not pro vaccine - i very much am, but in my line of work in health care an area i have in the past got very deeply immersed, is in healthcare ethics ( informed consent being one), human rights and the human rights/legislation in terms of all the afore mentioned. The principal of informed consent, as a fundamental human right is paramount in my opinion, there are many laws internationally and domestically that enshrines and builds safe guards around these rights.. Thats not to say im not pro vaccine - i am, but everyone has a fundamental human right to make what others feel is is an unwise or risky decision, once they have the capacity, within the scope of the law. I believe if we change that it sets a dangerous precedent and scope in the future, to challenge informed consent and human rights. I wouldn't be supportive of Austria's approach, nor what Germany are debating for the reasons i mentioned. Nor vaccine mandates for health care workers. Many would disagree with me there, i know.

Im not sure those figures are indicative mate, as we talked about before sheer volumes outweigh a naked stat like you present. 90% of people in The Uk have had some vaccine, 10% not. So the number of hospitalizations and ICU admission is disproportionately high amongst the 10% of the population on all the metrics as opposed to 90% of the population. We spoke before about a representative sample of 100k of the population vaxed and unvaxed as a better metric for each of the incidences. You also have to factor children as well, who havent had a vaccine yet, thats a huge population of the unvaccinated, while i know pregnant women are also very hesitant to - who under different circumstances would be open to be vaccinated, so i believe that 10% of say active hesitants is far lower - which represents a larger degree of willful instance comparatively to overall %. - if that makes sense.

To be more illustrative, the below is from the CDC - i picked them because of the 60%/40% odd ratio between vaccinated and unvaccinated in the States, which is as close to 50% split we may get in the Western world, the following was found pro rata:



Source:

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

We need to be very open minded on treatment as you say mate, i remember in the early stages Dex and other steriods were a gift and there are new developments all the time, the great hope in the new year are the antivirals and if effective will make vaccination less polarised - though they are expensive.

This is the thing with so much around Covid debate - it becomes to poloraized, there doesn't have to be camps, i listen to everything, am open minded on everything whether it be opinion, trends or treatments, you weigh it all up for yourself but ultimately people in any role in all of this in humanity are making the best decisions they can, with the best information for what they believe are the right reasons.

Good post, mate. Tho' I would add the unvaxxed hospital rates isn't that overly-amplified compared to the vaxxed. About 4-to-1 (/cases) of the 18-59 age group, and as ratio against total number of beds available it should be relatively manageable: the unvaxxed seem to be using around 7% of total ICUs, or 2% or total bed-capacity overall.

There should be no need for the media/politicians/public/NHS to panic, at least not unless something drastically changes these next few weeks/months. But signs are Omicron is not that bad

Is that anyone in here who is actually pro vaccine mandate? I can't imagine there are many other than fbpe types

What are fbpe types?

Plenty on this thread support such mandates.

don't know if it mentions in that article but Denmark's genomic sequencing capacity was actually exceeded last week too. But they've always been a European nation to look at that has been ahead of the UK in their Omicron spike so it's good to see.

This analysis from Denmark says something interesting too:

addendum/correction to danish VE data

there was a calc error, but it actually served to overstate VE.

boriquagato.substack.com

there's something antigenic in denmark: boosters show negative vaccine efficacy for cases

a preliminary look at the denmark data

boriquagato.substack.com

Agree. I'm tempted not to get my booster jab to be honest. I still get a pain in my arm where I had the first two shots.. 6 months a go.

I like how you don't fear the symptoms of COVID because you're fearing the effects of a jab. A poor ol' sore arm...

6 months having a painful arm is arguably worse than having a few days of bad cold.

 

[Nymzee]

6 months having a painful arm is arguably worse than having a few days of bad cold.

All less painful than seeing you fail to stay away from the forum sadly.

 

[dholliday]

toby young is an idiot

He's doing good work on Twitter informing folk of issues with pandemic policies, and imperfections of the vaccine.

Seems everybody I know has caught it in the past fortnight or so...

I know a few as well, about 50/50 mix of vaxxed/unvaxxed. The vaxxed (no boosters) have had heavier symptoms, tho' that might be age as they're in their 30's/40's, and the unvaxxed I know who all got it are in their 20's. Thankfully none requiring hospital.

 

[dholliday]

All less painful than seeing you fail to stay away from the forum sadly.

Now have a think about what you just wrote, and why you wrote it.

An actual think...away from your screen.

 

[Nymzee]

Now have a think about what you just wrote, and why you wrote it.

An actual think...away from your screen.

Your presence is more painful than a sore arm and a cold. I have no regrets in saying that.

 

[mill]

This is getting tedious now.

 

[coollino]

Good post, mate. Tho' I would add the unvaxxed hospital rates isn't that overly-amplified compared to the vaxxed. About 4-to-1 (/cases) of the 18-59 age group, and as ratio against total number of beds available it should be relatively manageable: the unvaxxed seem to be using around 7% of total ICUs, or 2% or total bed-capacity overall.

There should be no need for the media/politicians/public/NHS to panic, at least not unless something drastically changes these next few weeks/months. But signs are Omicron is not that bad



What are fbpe types?

Plenty on this thread support such mandates.






This analysis from Denmark says something interesting too:

addendum/correction to danish VE data

there was a calc error, but it actually served to overstate VE.

boriquagato.substack.com

there's something antigenic in denmark: boosters show negative vaccine efficacy for cases

a preliminary look at the denmark data

boriquagato.substack.com

6 months having a painful arm is arguably worse than having a few days of bad cold.

It stands for 'follow back pro-eu', a very odd group on twitter who are happy clappy centerist dad's who never shut up but never really have an opinion.

Basically lib dems