Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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I think the government will regret allowing new year's eve. Worst of both worlds, probably the need for a couple of months of restrictions and destroyed businesses from the go out but don't go out messaging
 
Tipp blue said:
The more people who have it the more incidental hospital admissions we'll see and as they aren't being reported as such we'll never know.
It's quite possible that the actual infections are 4,5 times the known infections so there would have to be a big number of incidental hospitalisations.
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Here you are mate some data on hospital detected infections, just under 50% accounting for "Covid Admissions", today, data also illustrates daily recent hospital detected infections.

 
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Neiler said:
440K cases in the States yesterday, might be in for a tough January, 61% fully vaccinated.
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The concerning situation with america is how vocal the anti-vaccine political movement is, as we can see on here we have our own set of deluded conspiracy theorists but at least it hasn't reached such mainstream political and media arenas as it seems to in the States. Will be very hard to shift people to reality when they are being backed up by some pretty big voices
 
RAFUH said:
Here’s a choice quote from the line right before your quote.

Although no evidence has been published that SARS–CoV–2 can infect thymocytes or bone marrow lymphoid cells, our in vitro V(D)J reporter assay shows that the spike protein intensely impeded V(D)J recombination.

This Petri dish level theory. It’s not even remotely animal model data, let alone human data. If you are comfortable accepting this level of data, you should have no problem with vaccines that now have 20 months of data in humans.


and here’s your expression of concern….

We are issuing this expression of concern in consultation with the publisher to fulfil their reporting obligation regarding the publication [1] mentioned above.
One of the authors has raised concerns regarding the methodology employed in the study, the conclusions drawn and the insufficient consideration of laboratory staff and resources.


You’re seriously embarrassing yourself if this is evidence you are pulling to support your beliefs.
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No need for your final snidey remark. Science is about questioning things, pointing out flaws in current dogma.

I'm pointing out a possible 'grey area' of concerning long-term (potential) vaccine side-effects, backed up by three different sources. You've focussed on only one of those sources by highlighting its in-vitro aspect. The 'expression of concern' I already highlighted myself.

FACT: vaccinated aren't producing as many N-antibodies as the unvaccinated. While the assumption is it's because of shorter milder illnesses, we don't know this for sure, and the deaths-data tell us 70% of deaths are vaccinated. So not really that mild or short...

This, in combination with in-vitro analyses like the study you dismissed, and the concerns of the now twitter-banned Dr Robert Malone (an originator of MRNA-tech) plus hundreds of other concerned scientists, moved The New York Times to report that there are worrying indications too many jabs may disturb the body's natural immune system.

See my previous posts for relevant links.

See also this report on a study saying the boosters (note: boosters) only protect for up to 9 weeks...

www.theguardian.com

Up to three Covid jabs a year could be needed for protection, data suggests

UK analysis indicates Pfizer and Moderna boosters less effective against Omicron than Delta variant and appear to drop away further after nine week
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com


We have to consider the difficult conversation that, for Omicron, maybe the vaccines don't work that great...and focus on protecting the at-risk and mass-providing effective treatments (monoclonal antibodies, for one).


Bruce Wayne said:
Discouraging people from taking free and safe treatments. Give yourself a medal.
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'safe' is relative...there's plenty of reports of worrying side-effects, including from a few of our own forum members.


For folk to make a decision on whether they should take the vaccine (and/or boosters), they should at least be well-informed. This means looking at both the pro and the contra side of things.

The State shouldn't be allowed to make this decision (ala Austria and possibly Germany), for the contra side isn't exactly empty.
 
Walken said:
The concerning situation with america is how vocal the anti-vaccine political movement is, as we can see on here we have our own set of deluded conspiracy theorists but at least it hasn't reached such mainstream political and media arenas as it seems to in the States. Will be very hard to shift people to reality when they are being backed up by some pretty big voices
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The difficulty in the States are the Blue and Red states mate, youd have huge swaths of geographical communities completely unvaccinated and naive that could really put services under pressure in some areas add in the cost of health care in their system and you are looking at worrying outcomes. Those unvaccinated as well are the ones who would be less risk adverse in terms of Covid, so be going about their civil liberties pretty much as always.
 
efcfanwirral said:
I think the government will regret allowing new year's eve. Worst of both worlds, probably the need for a couple of months of restrictions and destroyed businesses from the go out but don't go out messaging
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Omicron will have been through the whole population by mid January. There will be well over 1m a day getting it at the moment. The 100,000 which is being reported is the tip of the iceberg. Really doubt we'll see long term measures as there will be limited hosts for its spread very soon.
 
grandjoeblue said:
Omicron will have been through the whole population by mid January. There will be well over 1m a day getting it at the moment. The 100,000 which is being reported is the tip of the iceberg. Really doubt we'll see long term measures as there will be limited hosts for its spread very soon.
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Not particularity picking on your post mate but i think we have to be careful with the hope on natural herd immunity, i was talking about this with someone last night - who was saying let it run through the community. When we ran the numbers on how that would be practically (we did it for Ireland). We found that:

Out of 5 million people, 750k had been infected (officially), 15%, so even if we missed 50% of all cases (unlikely) we would still have 30% of the whole population with natural immunity. Natural immunity was also problematic, in the sense we know antibodies reduce over time, which is why you get a dose or a booster 3 months post infection (at the moment). So say someone you got Covid in March 20, its very unlikely that you are immune to reinfection, which drops the overall % i talk about above significantly.

If you ran the same numbers in the Uk im sure they wouldn't be to far off - in short, in my opinion the often heard - let it run through the community unchecked, so we can get on with life strategy, just isn't viable. Sure natural immunity can benefit for a time, but your building sandcastles at the waters edge with the tide coming in really.
 
Neiler said:
Not particularity picking on your post mate but i think we have to be careful with the hope on natural herd immunity, i was talking about this with someone last night - who was saying let it run through the community. When we ran the numbers on how that would be practically (we did in Ireland). We found that:

Out of 5 million people, 750k had been infected (officially), 15%, so even if we missed 50% of all cases (unlikely) we would still have 30% of the whole population with natural immunity. Natural immunity was also problematic, in the sense we know antibodies reduce over time, which is why you get a dose or a booster 3 months post infection (at the moment). So say someone got Covid in March 20, its very unlikely that they are immune to reinfection, which drops the overall % i talk about above significantly.

If you ran the same numbers in the Uk im sure they wouldn't be to far off - in short, in my opinion the often heard - let it run through the community unchecked strategy, so we can get on with life, just isn't viable. Sure natural immunity can benefit for a time, but your building sandcastles at the waters edge with the tide coming in really.
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I'm not saying we should allow it to run rampant but based on South Africa the wave will end relatively soon and that's down to available hosts.

The UK are definitely missing well over 50% of positives. A lot less than 5% are testing each day. Out of the other 95%+ that aren't testing you have to consider that over 30% of all COVID is asymptomatic, possibly even more with the triple vaccinated. Out of 60m+ who aren't testing say even 2% are positive (likely higher based on current positive percentage) that's 1.2m people being missed per day.

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