Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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dholliday said:
TL/DR bit: there are other valid ways of looking at this pandemic outside of what the mainstream media & politicians are telling us. But if not enough of us do this, then we're fated to have the next 12 months much like the previous 12: regular jabs, regularly-changing rules, culture broken, childhoods broken...and demonisation of the unvaxxed (remember many of you - the double-jabbed - will soon count as unvaxxed too).


My long posts offer a little window in what else is going on, which yous might not be aware of. There is something off, something strange, about the whole thing. I'm trying to make people aware of it.

If I'm way off on all this, then these long posts are just one of many mad ravings of internet weirdos. Feel free to ignore or ban. I hope the posts remain, tho'. There's no fake or dangerous info there, all serious official sources. People should at least have a chance to go through them and make their own mind up.


I'm off again until the new year.

peace x
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I see you added a savior-complex to your cabinet of mediocrity.
 
tsubaki said:
It wouldn't have to be an either/or situation all the time, but where it does comes down to a choice between two people then I really do not see how it is fair or equal to not take someone's vaccination status into account given that is probably a large slice of the reason why they are actually there.
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Because you’re basically taking people’s right to get treated away ffs. People have reasons for not having it, be it buying into conspiracies, for medical reasons or allergies to certain aspects of the formulas, to say those people shouldn’t get treated if they end up in hospitals with COVID is borderline inhumane
 
BlueStevie35 said:
Because you’re basically taking people’s right to get treated away ffs. People have reasons for not having it, be it buying into conspiracies, for medical reasons or allergies to certain aspects of the formulas, to say those people shouldn’t get treated if they end up in hospitals with COVID is borderline inhumane
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"basically" is doing an awful lot of heavy lifting in that first sentence
 
The binman chronicles said:
I think the hope is progressively each wave gets less and less dangerous and if we avoid any new variants by late spring we could easily see something that resembles a pre-covid world by the middle of next year.

I would expect another booster to be required this time in 2022 and if the government have learned any lessons then it will be issued a good few weeks before Xmas so everyone has the best chance of getting through the holidays and businesses remain open. This seems to have been rushed, the vaccines need time to bed into the system and seeing I only had mine on the 20th of December it's going to be late Jan by the time it's started to fully function and by all accounts that will be too late given how this is ripping through the population.
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The boosters seem to kick in much quicker than the initial vaccinations, at least against Delta.
 
BlueStevie35 said:
Because you’re basically taking people’s right to get treated away ffs. People have reasons for not having it, be it buying into conspiracies, for medical reasons or allergies to certain aspects of the formulas, to say those people shouldn’t get treated if they end up in hospitals with COVID is borderline inhumane
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It’s an interesting ethical question though isn’t it? If 80% of the Covid ICU beds are currently taken up by unvaccinated as is the case where I live, should those who made that choice to not get vaccinated take someone else’s care away because there are no more beds available? At this point the legit reasons to not have the vax are few and far between. There’s enough data for people now. They’re just choosing to ignore it. I don’t know the right answer but it’s certainly a difficult question.
 
PhilM said:
Again, I think that's partly down to their lack of will and the potential negative impact on the economy any stringent restrictions would have had.

Tight restrictions or closures before Christmas would have been not been politically and financially viable, and right now it's about saving themselves.

You could say that the reduced risk of Omicron may have added weight to their argument, but let's be honest I doubt that'll have been the primary factor.

The entertainment and hospitality sector are already on their knees, so any more would have been a death blow.
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Good points. Also, an official shutdown would have almost certainly obliged them to offer financial aid to the hospitality sector. By not actually forcing businesses to close, but strongly encouraging everyone to stay home, they basically got away with a shadow lockdown, where a huge number of people did stop mingling and probably helped slow the spread, but they also didn’t end up on the hook for a bailout.

Not saying that’s any sort of admirable handling of the situation, but it probably was the best hand they could play politically.
 
MikeH72 said:
Why are you an idiot if you feel you don’t need to be vaccinated against a virus which isn’t going to cause you any more than a headache and a chesty cough? I’ve had this virus, I know how it affects me. I also still have antibodies over a year after having it, so if I catch it again it’s going to be even milder. That’s the original strain of covid too, not omicron which is quite literally a cold. “They’re idiots” as a blanket term is just utterly brainwashed social media groupthink. I honestly thought you were better than that.
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While you are right that another case probably will be milder than what you have already had, especially with the variants being less lethal than the last but there have been numerous recorded cases where it was upon the second time of catching the virus they suffered far worse. Here is one such story:

www.dailymail.co.uk

ANTHONY JOHNSON: I was a manager who didn't get the jab

ANTHONY JOHNSON: Just six weeks ago I was feeling like I was on the point of death, collapsing in hospital and having to be rescued by nurses. . I was reduced to a shadow of myself.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Think there was a another football manager who had a similar experience too.

LinekersLegs said:
The boosters seem to kick in much quicker than the initial vaccinations, at least against Delta.
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Good to know, thanks.
 
Seanjd said:
Just out of interest, if you were in hospital very ill with Covid, on a ventilator, and you were offered the antiviral drug, which is new and has proven results of being effective, would you be wary of that and refuse to take it?
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The thousands of Americans who ate horse-dewormer out of a tube like it was toothpaste seem to point to the fact that most would, even if the efficacy was anecdotal at best.
 
carolinablue232 said:
It’s an interesting ethical question though isn’t it? If 80% of the Covid ICU beds are currently taken up by unvaccinated as is the case where I live, should those who made that choice to not get vaccinated take someone else’s care away because there are no more beds available? At this point the legit reasons to not have the vax are few and far between. There’s enough data for people now. They’re just choosing to ignore it. I don’t know the right answer but it’s certainly a difficult question.
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You can say the same for any ailment that is caused by choice. Cigs, booze, obesity etc. What's the difference?
You know it's bad for you, but you still do said thing to ail you.
 
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