Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[JLW]

@tsubaki Anyway its boxing day and i cant be arsed going round in circles with this debate.
We both have different views on it enjoy the rest of your day mate.

 

[tsubaki]

No it shouldn’t

It absolutely should. Is the decision of someone to not take a vaccine, which has put them in hospital, going to impact on someone elses's care?

Yes? Then it should be taken into account.

 

[tsubaki]

"It is also right that they should deal with the consequences of making it."

this is bizarre - the conversation has been about priorities of medical treatment for the unvaccinated; you've added the rest

 

[Seanjd]

Then i think this is morally wrong and very dark path we shouldn't go down.

This vaccine is barely 12 months old and people have every right to be wary of taking it especially when the world is in almost the same place as it was before it was available, and millions of people have had 3 jabs. Don't you think there is still question marks about it because i do?

Just out of interest, if you were in hospital very ill with Covid, on a ventilator, and you were offered the antiviral drug, which is new and has proven results of being effective, would you be wary of that and refuse to take it?

 

[BlueStevie35]

It absolutely should. Is the decision of someone to not take a vaccine, which has put them in hospital, going to impact on someone elses's care?

Yes? Then it should be taken into account.

No it really shouldn’t and thankfully actual health professionals see it that way. It’s morally and ethically wrong to play god with someone’s life if you don’t agree with their beliefs.

I’ll use a couple of examples, my cousin’s partner had to spend 2 days on oxygen support after contracting COVID, she refused to get vaccinated prior to ending up in hospital, I don’t agree with that stance but still would have been pissed off if she had been refused treatment because of it. Likewise my cousin, who had to miss spending Christmas with us yesterday, ill with COVID but refuses the vaccine, if she’d have ended up in hospital and not been treated because of her status we’d have been fuming

 

[maccavennie]

I see the Christmas armistice is over. Good.

We've had a game of footy in no man's land, time to get back into our trenches and continue shooting each other!

 

[tsubaki]

No it really shouldn’t and thankfully actual health professionals see it that way. It’s morally and ethically wrong to play god with someone’s life if you don’t agree with their beliefs.

I’ll use a couple of examples, my cousin’s partner had to spend 2 days on oxygen support after contracting COVID, she refused to get vaccinated prior to ending up in hospital, I don’t agree with that stance but still would have been pissed off if she had been refused treatment because of it. Likewise my cousin, who had to miss spending Christmas with us yesterday, ill with COVID but refuses the vaccine, if she’d have ended up in hospital and not been treated because of her status we’d have been fuming

Again, no one would not be treated because of their vaccination status; they would just have that taken into account when it’s a choice between them and someone else as to who gets a limited bit of equipment.

I mean, if a hypothetical persons mum (who was vaccinated) ended by being denied some treatment because your cousins partner needed it, is that fair?

 

[PhilM]

Again, no one would not be treated because of their vaccination status; they would just have that taken into account when it’s a choice between them and someone else as to who gets a limited bit of equipment.

I mean, if a hypothetical persons mum (who was vaccinated) ended by being denied some treatment because your cousins partner needed it, is that fair?

For me, this whole discussion (argument) is a bit of a Pandora’s box situation; should we deny cancer treatments over lifestyle choices etc?

Treatment must be universal unless there are circumstances that are clearly the exception.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Again, no one would not be treated because of their vaccination status; they would just have that taken into account when it’s a choice between them and someone else as to who gets a limited bit of equipment.

I mean, if a hypothetical persons mum (who was vaccinated) ended by being denied some treatment because your cousins partner needed it, is that fair?

Why does it have to be an either/or? All people need to be treated fairly and equally

 

[MikeH72]

I do think it's idiotic not to give yourself as much protection as possible and if everyone is vaccinated it means the spread of the illness is going to be reduced, as the vaccines are proven to reduce viral loads.

So yes, I think you're an idiot not for getting it. I really do. It literally doesn't take anything to do it, there's very little risk involved and it helps keep you safer.

I don't think you or anyone else should be classed as a second-class citizen. I don't think there's anything wrong with having negative test results instead of a vaccine pass. I just don't know why you'd bother with the hassle.

But what is a valid reason in your mind for not getting the vaccine? Why don't you want it?

I respect it's your choice, that it's your choice to make. I have no issue with that. It's my choice to think anyone who doesn't take it up without a good medical reason is a bit of an idiot.

Edit: I also think people shouldn't just dismiss issues like a lack of aspiration when administering the vaccines. Or the concern over boosters every few months. But I think that's a different issue.

It’s your choice to think whatever you want mate. It’s also my choice to think you’re indulging in mindless social media groupthink rather than actually looking at things from a common sense perspective. I’m not going to become ill or be hospitalised from covid, that’s just not going to happen. When I get to the age or health status where I am at risk from covid, I will most certainly be getting vaccinated.

 

[tsubaki]

For me, this whole discussion (argument) is a bit of a Pandora’s box situation; should we deny cancer treatments over lifestyle choices etc?

Treatment must be universal unless there are circumstances that are clearly the exception.

Like there being an easily available means of prevention that someone has refused to take?

TBF if there was a pill or injection that could massively reduce the likelyhood of a smoker getting lung cancer, then I think society would expect smokers to take that.

 

[tsubaki]

Why does it have to be an either/or? All people need to be treated fairly and equally

It wouldn't have to be an either/or situation all the time, but where it does comes down to a choice between two people then I really do not see how it is fair or equal to not take someone's vaccination status into account given that is probably a large slice of the reason why they are actually there.

 

[PhilM]

Like there being an easily available means of prevention that someone has refused to take?

TBF if there was a pill or injection that could massively reduce the likelyhood of a smoker getting lung cancer, then I think society would expect smokers to take that.

Isn’t that a nicotine patch? The best option here would be to not smoke, but we don’t and shouldn’t base whether they’re treated on this earlier decision.

Don’t get me wrong, I think people should be getting vaccinated and I have questions as to why they aren’t, but as a society this shouldn’t be a criteria for treatment.

 

[COYBL25]

For me, this whole discussion (argument) is a bit of a Pandora’s box situation; should we deny cancer treatments over lifestyle choices etc?

Treatment must be universal unless there are circumstances that are clearly the exception.

This.

 

[coollino]

Didn't go on twitter the last few days, just went on to see if any more games had been cancelled.

First tweet I see is someone with an EU flag in their bio (just you know, fits the bill doesn't it, not saying remainers are bad, if I had my chance again I'd likely vote remain knowing what I know how of how it turned out) insisting that the country must go into lockdown. 9:40am he tweeted that.

He must've been fun these last few days.

fbpe people aren't normal people. More people who voted remain hate them