Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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tsubaki said:
Who said that? I was saying that where people are ill with COVID and need treatment which is also needed by others, that their vaccination status should be taken into account when deciding who gets the treatment.

If you have been vaccinated, and urgently need this to save your life, why should you suffer because of someone else who CBA to do that and then fell ill with COVID?
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How you doing Pal? Hope you as good as you could be yesterday!
 
Neiler said:
Ive heard this sentiment expressed lot lately amongst people and really cant get my head around it to be honest. People saying ill get one more vaccine - but thats it - its like they are doing someone a favor (Not necessarily saying you are saying that).

Its not like people are being asked to push a boulder up the hill, its a pinch of a needle and at most an hour out of your day - for the potential benefit to enable people to be healthy to get on with life, and the intention to better protect their health as a citizen and society systemically - we're immensely lucky to have access to the vaccine, and perhaps we're all getting a bit entitled around it.

At the end of the day its a needle prick in your arm, its not like going to war, people have been offered to get it three times, its not much of a hardship at all - side effects and all.

I get the FLU shout every year for work, wouldn't be without it - its an inconvenience, this vaccine programme is an incredible privilege that now become expected rather than appreciated.

If its every year - through i think it will be every 6 months - i dont see the big deal or the hardship to be honest.

First world problem.
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Get your booster and get on with your life? But just to be safe don't get on with your life.. restrictions continue, don't meet people from other households, order online if you can and stay away from crowds and work from home if possible... basically at the moment we are closed schools away from full lockdown. Vaccines and boosters aren't enabling us to get on with our lives.
www.thejournal.ie

Holohan advises people not to meet indoors with other households and to avoid crowded shops

The CMO reiterated his message to reduce social contacts to stem the spread of Omicron.
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tsubaki said:
They are still getting treated, I am just saying that when two patients need one ventilator that its the person who has actually done something to try to help that should get it.

Why should someone, whose paid taxes and NI contributions, got vaccinated and generally done what is expected be made to suffer?
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You should treat the most vulnerable regardless of vaccine status?

And this scenario shouldn't happen because its only the unvaccinated that would need a ventilator, right?
 
Tipp blue said:
Get your booster and get on with your life? But just to be safe don't get on with your life.. restrictions continue, don't meet people from other households, order online if you can and stay away from crowds and work from home if possible... basically at the moment we are closed schools away from full lockdown. Vaccines and boosters aren't enabling us to get on with our lives.
www.thejournal.ie

Holohan advises people not to meet indoors with other households and to avoid crowded shops

The CMO reiterated his message to reduce social contacts to stem the spread of Omicron.
www.thejournal.ie www.thejournal.ie
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Would disagree mate, i worked through all the lock downs - i wouldn't liken restrictions now to then - trying to think of what we couldn't do this time last year that we cant do today - we can do almost everything and we're in a deteriorating phase at the moment - if it was this time last year we would all be in our little 5k radius with everything closed - the vaccine and boosters have enabled that, thats been the game changer in terms of strictness of restrictions, to be honest i think the intention is to keep things open rather shut down despite what is looking a hairy virus profile nationally. Jan is going to be a mess, but its well telegraphed.

The things you are talking about are advice - so you make a choice, they aren't restrictions.
 
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JLW said:
You should treat the most vulnerable regardless of vaccine status?

And this scenario shouldn't happen because its only the unvaccinated that would need a ventilator, right?
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No, to both. I'd take vaccine status into account when determining need and lots of people are vaccinated and need a ventilator after catching COVID; as has been repeatedly said the vaccine does not entirely eliminate the risk of hospitalization or death (just reduces it massively).
 
tsubaki said:
No, to both. I'd take vaccine status into account when determining need and lots of people are vaccinated and need a ventilator after catching COVID; as has been repeatedly said the vaccine does not entirely eliminate the risk of hospitalization or death (just reduces it massively).
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Then i think this is morally wrong and very dark path we shouldn't go down.

This vaccine is barely 12 months old and people have every right to be wary of taking it especially when the world is in almost the same place as it was before it was available, and millions of people have had 3 jabs. Don't you think there is still question marks about it because i do?
 
MikeH72 said:
What’s gonna happen in that instance when the virus is still spreading like wildfire because you and your fellow vaccinated angels are prancing around flashing vaccine passports at people while still carrying the virus? Who are you going to blame then?
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Didn't read it - I'll be classed as unvaccinated by then too. I just don't think those of us not willing to do whats needed to protect society have any right to be part of it.

Though I do agree that if it were to happen and there was still an issue of potential lockdowns that it shouldn't then be continued. But if restrictions are needed, which they seem to be making the case for, then it's either everyone or those who aren't vaccinated and it's less damaging to try the one for less people.
 
tsubaki said:
Who said that? I was saying that where people are ill with COVID and need treatment which is also needed by others, that their vaccination status should be taken into account when deciding who gets the treatment.

If you have been vaccinated, and urgently need this to save your life, why should you suffer because of someone else who CBA to do that and then fell ill with COVID?
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Again that’s segregating, your status shouldn’t determine your importance of treatment
 
JLW said:
Then i think this is morally wrong and very dark path we shouldn't go down.

This vaccine is barely 12 months old and people have every right to be wary of taking it especially when the world is in almost the same place as it was before it was available, and millions of people have had 3 jabs. Don't you think there is still question marks about it because i do?
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I couldn't disagree more with you. If people have objections to the jab and don't want to take it, then that is their right.

It is also right that they should deal with the consequences of making it.
 
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