Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Harryflashman]

I had two Pfizer vaccinations and was given Moderna for booster.

Really ? I had AZ and the Pfizer booster and I thought everyone was getting the same .

 

[BlueToff]

Chief Medical Advisor has told us that this will rise - a lot. I have no reason not to believe him.

So has Dr Campbell, so have I. Been saying it for a while. I know it will. It's how sharply it rises and how much it rises by that's the issue.

The symptoms so far are a cold. Now, the good thing is almost all of those elderly and vulnerable (i.e. people who could end up in hospital from a cold) will have been boosted, most for some time now. That's a very good sign, as 75% of people (again, official data here) that have been boosted show no symptoms when they have Omicron.

If the symptoms stay this mild, then even the most hopeful expectations of hospitalisation rates could have turned out to be rather pessimistic. Of course that's a big if.

 

[BlueToff]

Really ? I had AZ and the Pfizer booster and I thought everyone was getting the same .

The boosters are the MRNA vaccines only - so Pfizer or Moderna. Doesn't matter what you had initially.

 

[BlueToff]

This’ll be killing the tories to do this, and they’ll only ever enforce the bare minimum restrictions when absolutely necessary (usually too late). That tells me that this is needed. Now.

Don't leave your house then mate

I agree with you that the government always act too late. But if you want a lockdown then act like you're in one. I'm not meaning to be a prat, but you can make that decision.

 

[BlueToff]

Is it generally Ptizer that is being used as the booster?

I've had 2 peasant AZ jabs so far, no idea what I'm booked for on Monday.

All the booster vaccines are MRNA so Pfizer or Moderna

 

[mill]

It's a virus.

A virus that causes disease. Some viruses don’t cause any disease. This one does.

 

[Seanjd]

Just seen that Neil Ferguson is predicting 5000 deaths a day. That clearly won't happen just because of the booster numbers alone. I know it's 'worst case scenario' but that's still far higher than it will be in reality.

Can’t find a reputable source for this. Where has he said it?

 

[Seanjd]

Don't leave your house then mate

I agree with you that the government always act too late. But if you want a lockdown then act like you're in one. I'm not meaning to be a prat, but you can make that decision.

I’ve adjusted my behaviours accordingly, but there is still a role for government intervention here.

 

[Neiler]

The thing is mate the time to do a circuit breaker was 4 weeks ago. If they'd have done that, then maybe the spread of Omicron would have slowed before it took off. The issue I suppose was then re-opening around now for Xmas and then it spreading like wildfire anyway.

The whole issue is that they don't know how serious this is going to be so predictions of hospital admissions are ranging from very manageable numbers to numbers that would be very very grim. S***show everywhere. And it's no better anywhere else. France are off into lockdown too by the looks.

I think everyone’s doing their best mate, it’s only about three weeks since we dectcted omicron and even then it’s likely it was here anyway. Personally I think the lack of mitigation in the U.K. is seeing the huge exponential growth, their just isn’t the measures in place to break the chain on infection. While other countries have had them and likely less resistance then there is in the U.K. It is however inevitable that everyone will go through the same wave though, it’s just when and how quick.

For politicians I think it’s difficult, lockdowns before Xmas sees so many industries retail, food, entertainment, hospitality etc hugely suffer, while for the general public Xmas is precious. While it might be ideal to have a lock down now as opposed to the new year, I think in terms of other risks - people won’t comply and it would e very costly. My approach has always been to use mitigation to keep society open, but o do think the U.K. are sailing close to the wind as things stand.

In terms of severity, all waves are severe, I’ve been through a flu waves even before COVID and they have been horrific, make no mistake anything of the volumes we’re looking at even away from severity puts services under huge pressure!

 

[BlueToff]

I’ve adjusted my behaviours accordingly, but there is still a role for government intervention here.

So what do you want to happen?

I'm seeing my family over Christmas. I'm taking lateral flows daily or every two days depending on how many we have as I'm also seeing friends, some of whom I've not seen in two years.

People can do that, people can make the decision to do that themselves. You've got 1000s of businesses, 1000s of livelihoods, relying on Christmas after the state of last year. And all the support in the world wouldn't cover them all.

 

[PhilM]

Is it generally Ptizer that is being used as the booster?

I've had 2 peasant AZ jabs so far, no idea what I'm booked for on Monday.

To the best of my knowledge it was meant to be, but my wife got the Moderna this morning when she went to Brougham Terrace. The staff said it’s the same type of jab.

 

[BlueToff]

To the best of my knowledge it was meant to be, but my wife got the Moderna this morning when she went to Brougham Terrace. The staff said it’s the same type of jab.

Yeah it's any MRNA vaccine mate so it's Pfizer or Moderna, doesn't matter which

 

[CharliePotato]

You going to the footy if they close stadiums? Going on a night out with no pubs open or?

Wouldn’t go to the footy if you payed me.

Pub yeah.

 

[Neiler]

Tbf mate you're painting out like the summer reopening was a bad idea. It wasn't at all.

The issue has been this Omicron spread and how fast it's been. Luckily it looks like it's mild and isn't going to result in as many deaths as it could have but it's a separate matter to the whole 'freedom day' thing. It really is mate.

I’d be a big backer of the summer opening mate, it was the right play, we made the most stupid decision ever opening up in Oct - lasted a month! I’ve said I’d so many times that this the risk profile of the virus is seasonal, I was saying in the summer that the winter would be difficult and here we are. I can tell you it’s going to be tricky until March.

My point based on the above was that the U.K. opened at the right time, but should have put in place mitigation/restrictions in Sep. Definitely well before last week. It’s really simple the risk of this changes between Spring/ Summer to Autumn/Winter. Governments just haven’t got it in my opinion.

 

[manxtoffee]

A virus that causes disease. Some viruses don’t cause any disease. This one does.

True. Happy to leave it there mate. ?