Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[RAFUH]

If you look up long term side effects of pneumonia , they match a lot of the more serious ones.

I don't doubt that the lasting side effects are down to pneumonia forming in covid infections which is shown to be the case.

Point is, covid could mutate, it could, so could any other virus at any point, and they do. Hence the reason why the common cold can't be 'cured' or eradicated.

I don't need to look up the long term effects of pneumonia. That's part of the difference between our respective "opinions"

The vast majority of medical professionals, myself included, disagree with your diagnosis and your understanding of viral induced disease.

And I'm getting snarky so time for COVID thread self exile again.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I appreciate your viewpoint absolutely. I can't disagree with any of it.

There has to be a limit between normality and pandemic though wouldn't you agree? Managing a country based on a small number of people in the long run is not teniable to do , especially when that majority have done as they are told. For the 50 million people , me included, we have done everything asked of us for so long.

You can spin that the other way from a humanitarian perspective absolutely. At some point though you have to accept that there will be some remaining risk for a small minority of people no matter what. I'm not talking social distancing or masks or anything like that, but potential restrictions , business shutting again, not interacting with others.

If the end result of the data is wear a mask again then that is hardly an inconvenience. It's when you directly restrict people's lives to protect a minority that would be affected just as much by the Novo virus , the flu , have much worse time with a cold, an infection etc. All that exist anyway, which is where I say covid isn't top of the list for them. At some point you have to not care if someone gets sick after refusing to get the virus!

At some point saying covid over and over has to stop because otherwise you lose all sense of normality without ever assuming a new normality. If the medication is approved as well and available over the counter then with vaccines and medicine , covid is no more a threat anymore than any other illness in western societies





If you look up long term side effects of pneumonia , they match a lot of the more serious ones.

I don't doubt that the lasting side effects are down to pneumonia forming in covid infections which is shown to be the case.

Running with the this could happen note as well is just living in fear. All those protestors who kicked off because of that bill to have heavier handed approaches with them , all because of what it could mean. And all it has meant so far is dragging people off motorways in the name of protest.

Point is, covid could mutate, it could, so could any other virus at any point, and they do. Hence the reason why the common cold can't be 'cured' or eradicated.

Agree.

My personal preference would be that everyone kept an eye on local case rates and if/when they start to rise voluntarily do a bit more of things like masking when in public, taking a rapid test before visiting elderly/vulnerable relatives, if job allows work from home a little more etc. And then when case rates drop relax those things again until the next wave.

A lot of people alter their driving habits depending on weather conditions eg drive slower in rain/fog and change clothing choices for the same reason and feel the same principles could be used for Covid - instead things seem to oscillate between complacency and crackdowns.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Agree.

My personal preference would be that everyone kept an eye on local case rates and if/when they start to rise voluntarily do a bit more of things like masking when in public, taking a rapid test before visiting elderly/vulnerable relatives, if job allows work from home a little more etc. And then when case rates drop relax those things again until the next wave.

A lot of people alter their driving habits depending on weather conditions eg drive slower in rain/fog and change clothing choices for the same reason and feel the same principles could be used for Covid - instead things seem to oscillate between complacency and crackdowns.

Absolutely. There is a difference between literally shutting down businesses and banning mixing, with working from home and masks.

In fact if the latter were used as temporary measures during periods such as the winter, it would make more sense to do it that way. There was always going to be something in place in the winter here, it would have been ridiculous not to have something in place.

From a general perspective though, the fact this hasn't been mapped out is the issue, anything that does come into place will be short notice so less people will take up the voluntary measures. Whereas if 3 months ago , if they announced all restrictions gone , December 1st as a precaution we are doing this and why, it would be accepted by far more people.

 

[LinekersLegs]

@Neiler

 

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[LinekersLegs]

AAAS

www.science.org

We determined that the mandatory wearing of masks exhibits effects similar to maintaining 2-m social distancing in preventing COVID-19. Mandatory wearing of masks and practicing social distancing with masks during peak hours reduced infection rates by 93.5 and 98.1%, respectively.

 

[Haydn]

Thanks, just booked mine.

 

[Neiler]

@Neiler

Two weeks post lifting all restrictions mate, all beit we still have masks and passes in place, increasing socialisation right in the middle of flu season, very mad and totally stupid. If there was a time to do it, it was in summer like the U.K. We should all be tightening up now IMO as opposed to opening up. That said ICU numbers are dropping, while we have about 20% increase in admissions over all this week, might be a week or two until we see the impact of breaking the 3k barrier on ICU.


As the crow flies I can see Jan being a mess, culturally we have so many people coming “home for Xmas” in Ireland, If I was putting money on it I think if have a few Bob on a lock down in or tight restrictions Jan, wouldnt be surprised to be hearing words like “circuit breakers” before Xmas either. Delta is far more transmissible, thank goodness for the vaccines.

As expected though we’re seeing a wave right across Europe now, that’s where we will be until March, peaking in Jan. Romania and other vaccine hesitant countries are having a really really difficult time. Being unvaccinated is deadly.

Saw some really interesting data from the U.K. earlier which really illustrates the benefits of the vaccines.

2020



2021



Vaccines are Incredible really! Imagine we didn’t have them, with Delta.

 

[Neiler]

To really see the benefit of the vaccines compare the graphs I posted above against Romania, which is culturally hugely vaccine hesitentint country. They currently have 30% of their their entire population vaccinated and even sold some of their vaccines to other European countries as they were due to expire because the uptake was low.




The only difference between the UK and Romania is the level of vaccine uptake and hesitancy. Sadly people in Romania are dying because of vaccine hesitancy and misinformation.

The comparrison between the Romania and U.K. graphs really show the tragedy and benefit of hesitancy/vaccination compliance and where we would be without a high uptake.

 

[summerisle]

Now trying to remember how when I had my second jab. lol

 

[LinekersLegs]

Now trying to remember how when I had my second jab. lol

Had my second shot today, just about hanging on for the thrill of the unveiling of the next manager.

Wirral shot up.

GOT is a great diary lol

 

[summerisle]

GOT is a great diary lol

Haven't you got anything better to do ? lol Magnificently sterling work, and I can book in 2 days.