Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[TN Toffee]

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Is this based off any special type of mask, or just the basic cloth ones? Definitely not arguing that masks don’t work, just curious because there does seem to be some level of agreement that not all masks offer the same level of mitigation.

 

[Haydn]

Is this based off any special type of mask, or just the basic cloth ones? Definitely not arguing that masks don’t work, just curious because there does seem to be some level of agreement that not all masks offer the same level of mitigation.

Applying the same logic as is applied to air conditioning filters, the better the grade of filter, the fewer particles are able to pass through. In the case of masks, this would be in either direction.

Yes a virus is microscopic, but a multi layer mask should present a convoluted flow path that reduces the amount of virus inhaled / exhaled, compared to a non masked person.

Stone age people would have worked this out a few years before inventing the wheel or discovering fire.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Bruce Wayne]

tbf and @COYBL25 there have been some studies showing that there's more of a risk to teenage lads for certain side-effects from the vaccines.

I still don't think it'd be reason to tell your kid not to get it like. Like you've said Mac, you had a proper sit down chat and were able to discuss things. I suppose given your personal experience, that might have swayed him too?

I'd say the biggest issue is that you're telling your child not to believe what doctors and scientists tell them. That would appear to have a much more harmful and lasting impact than this particular pandemic.

 

[maccavennie]

tbf and @COYBL25 there have been some studies showing that there's more of a risk to teenage lads for certain side-effects from the vaccines.

I still don't think it'd be reason to tell your kid not to get it like. Like you've said Mac, you had a proper sit down chat and were able to discuss things. I suppose given your personal experience, that might have swayed him too?

Yeah mate, 100% seeing me in the state I was in earlier this year is going to have an affect on him, plus the job his mum does as she's with Covid patients day in day out.

We sat down, looked through everything and had a good chat and he just felt he wanted to be pro active and not reactive. Every decision we all make as parents are calculated choices and we all have to do what we think is right by them

 

[arminisgod]

In the UK we can’t fly without a negative PCR which you need to check in

That's not true. Dont need anything for most places

 

[Neiler]

Is this based off any special type of mask, or just the basic cloth ones? Definitely not arguing that masks don’t work, just curious because there does seem to be some level of agreement that not all masks offer the same level of mitigation.

A simple test to use in terms of mask effectiveness is put your mask on try and blow out a candle, if you can do it at very easily your or with minimal effort your mask isn’t great or you need a new one. I can’t do it with a surgical mask up.

 

[Brennan]

Is talking about mask effectiveness really still a thing ?

 

[summerisle]

 

[BlueToff]

I'd say the biggest issue is that you're telling your child not to believe what doctors and scientists tell them. That would appear to have a much more harmful and lasting impact than this particular pandemic.

Doctors and scientists have done the studies showing there are some issues though.

You can't be so black and white on this.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...zer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study

Covid-19: Study that claimed boys are at increased risk of myocarditis after vaccination is deeply flawed, say critics

The risk of 12-15 year old healthy boys experiencing cardiac adverse events such as myocarditis after their second dose of the Pfizer and BioNTech vaccine is around four times adolescents’ risk of being admitted to hospital as a result of infection with SARS-CoV-2, a preprint study has found.1...

www.bmj.com

Now, I'm not saying that anybody SHOULD decide against their child getting side-effects, at all, barring their doctor saying they have medical conditions which mean they shouldn't.

But to just ignore the studies completely and say its all anti-vax madness isn't right either.

 

[BlueToff]

Is talking about mask effectiveness really still a thing ?

Issue is people are obsessed with it on both sides.

You have virtual signallers who just want to show their a good person. Then people who have a really weird thing that it's some curtailment of freedom.

It's a minor annoyance but I wear mine if I'm going the shop, or when I walk through to the gym because it's quite a tight space and a lot of older people go there for a swim.

I don't wear it anywhere else, but I don't particularly go to loads of places other than the ones I list, occasionally go the pub. I won't be wearing it at that gig I'm off to next week, for example.

 

[efcfanwirral]

Issue is people are obsessed with it on both sides.

You have virtual signallers who just want to show their a good person. Then people who have a really weird thing that it's some curtailment of freedom.

It's a minor annoyance but I wear mine if I'm going the shop, or when I walk through to the gym because it's quite a tight space and a lot of older people go there for a swim.

I don't wear it anywhere else, but I don't particularly go to loads of places other than the ones I list, occasionally go the pub. I won't be wearing it at that gig I'm off to next week, for example.

Yeah I'm much the same - especially with gigs, it's supposedly a covid safe environment (not that I believe showing proof of vaccination makes it so, but it is where we are), and to be fair anyone in that sort of setting knows the risks they're taking.
I also imagine a mask in that sort of hot sweaty close together environment would quickly lose its usefulness over the 2-3 hours you're in there. Once you start sweating in it there's not really much point anyway

 

[efcfanwirral]

I did love the outdoor gigs in summer though, the only proper freedom from covid I've felt. Only times I thought about it were to think "there's so little chance of spread here". Shame we don't have the weather to sustain them all year round, though with the enforced push to late September proving so successful I'm hoping festival/outdoor gigs season stretches that late and to maybe early May in future years

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Doctors and scientists have done the studies showing there are some issues though.

You can't be so black and white on this.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...zer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study

Covid-19: Study that claimed boys are at increased risk of myocarditis after vaccination is deeply flawed, say critics

The risk of 12-15 year old healthy boys experiencing cardiac adverse events such as myocarditis after their second dose of the Pfizer and BioNTech vaccine is around four times adolescents’ risk of being admitted to hospital as a result of infection with SARS-CoV-2, a preprint study has found.1...

www.bmj.com

Now, I'm not saying that anybody SHOULD decide against their child getting side-effects, at all, barring their doctor saying they have medical conditions which mean they shouldn't.

But to just ignore the studies completely and say its all anti-vax madness isn't right either.

The people who approve vaccines for use in children will be both far better qualified than the average parent and will have considered the matter in far more detail than the average parent. By saying no you're telling the child that neither of those things matter. Indeed, the problem with this was outlined in the very article you linked to

Trish Greenhalgh, professor of primary care health sciences at the University of Oxford, told The BMJ that although all preprints were suspect before they were peer reviewed, some were more suspect than others.

She said, “The VAERS database is a passive monitoring system maintained by the US Food and Drug Administration and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that invites the public to report any perceived or suspected side effects following vaccination, so that potential signals of harm may be investigated further. Crucially, all such reports must be validated by other active monitoring systems, as VAERS entries are very prone to reporting and recall bias.

“Indeed, the CDC explicitly states that VAERS cannot be used in isolation to infer the existence, frequency, or rates of vaccine complications.”

Greenhalgh said that although the FDA and CDC used VAERS data to generate hypothesis driven questions about effects of covid vaccines in teenagers, the agencies then investigated before concluding that these vaccines were safe. “VAERS data dredging, as it is known, has been used by antivaccine groups in the past to produce alarmist estimates of harms from vaccines,” she said.

You and I would in all likelihood have no idea about the validity of that data source in the way that Greenhalgh is, yet we're saying that our ignorance is just as valid as her expertise. It's not and to tell children that is wrong.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Issue is people are obsessed with it on both sides.

You have virtual signallers who just want to show their a good person. Then people who have a really weird thing that it's some curtailment of freedom.

It's a minor annoyance but I wear mine if I'm going the shop, or when I walk through to the gym because it's quite a tight space and a lot of older people go there for a swim.

I don't wear it anywhere else, but I don't particularly go to loads of places other than the ones I list, occasionally go the pub. I won't be wearing it at that gig I'm off to next week, for example.

So a Tory MP says mask wearing is virtue signalling and now it suddenly is? Or as Ms Greenhalgh from the BMJ article you linked to says