Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Neiler]

Perhaps a better way to phrase it is that the messaging should have been that, though the initial two shots gave fantastic protection, boosters might be required as Covid mutated and to keep the protection against symptomatic infection very high.

Reading this thread and elsewhere just feel a lot of people think the goalposts have been moved “I thought iif we just had the two jabs I could forget about it forever and go back to normal life”

To be fair, it was the message sent out from Goverment in the UK and likely elsewhere its definitely the prevailing mentality, likely done to encourage people to vaccinated being kind.

 

[Neiler]

I'll have 3 of these please on top of 2 boosters. Hopefully that gets me through to Spring

Id fill the car up as well mate! lol

 

[wm02]

First flight attendant that asks me if i would like a drink is getting an obnoxious boo

Gotta include the pilot too: “You’re just a crap Captain Sully”

 

[Amw79]

Perhaps a better way to phrase it is that the messaging should have been that, though the initial two shots gave fantastic protection, boosters might be required as Covid mutated and to keep the protection against symptomatic infection very high.

Reading this thread and elsewhere just feel a lot of people think the goalposts have been moved “I thought iif we just had the two jabs I could forget about it forever and go back to normal life”

Yeah, the Uk gov certainly hasn’t helped with that type of nuanced messaging, by pushing messages like ‘freedom day’ and ‘irreversible easing of restrictions’.

It’s always seemed likely to me that we’d be looking at yearly boosters / jabs for certain cohorts of the population, alongside seasonal flu jabs.

 

[LinekersLegs]

To be fair, it was the message sent out from Goverment in the UK and likely elsewhere its definitely the prevailing mentality, likely done to encourage people to vaccinated being kind.

Yes, in truth I can understand both the reasons for doing it and how it was received, just think focusing on that short term it is going to bite us a bit now trust wise.

Given our lack of overall knowledge of this virus and how it isn’t unheard of to need boosters (flu, tetanus etc) it wasn’t to be unexpected so ideally the possibility would have been built in from the start.

However I’m sure I’ve made the same mistake myself so this is more a “how do we best pivot to that framing now”

 

[efcfanwirral]

Most developed countries should have in place this winter:

- Strong testing/quarantined measures depending on Vaccine Profile for travel.
- Mandatory Masks in public settings.
- Social Distance measures in all public places - including work and on Public Transport.
- Limits on hospitality - how many at a table, table service etc.
- Passports for hospitality/live events/hotels/weddings etc
- Antigen testing, for access to entertainment and hospitality - kiosks set up, that you can take an official test, to be provided by a passport to your phone to show a negative result to access hospitality.
- Strong regulations / enforcement of all of the above.

That's pretty much as safe as it can get living with Covid, then look at it next March.

To many countries sleep walking into the winter, the dogs on the street know, Autumn and Winter is prime time for this virus.

I think that bolded bit should be for events too. We really have to start facing up to the fact everyone should have to show a negative test for crowded events over winter, regardless of 0,1,2,3 vaccines.

Vaccine only passports are ideologically understandable but really, if we want to minimise spread I don't see how allowing someone infected to stroll in just because they've had 2 doses (when they're rolling out a third and we know it is possible to have it with two doses) really helps get to the bottom of actual public health measures.

I get the expectation to punish people, so for those into such things make it so you have to have had at least a dose but this insistence that it protects you from infection/being infectious could really bite us if we keep going down that road that vaccinated = protected.

The same logic of "if you're unvaccinated you could pass it onto someone the vaccine doesn't work on" applies to the vaccinated and infected too. Less chance doesn't = no chance, and I think in times of high prevalence JUST excluding unvaccinated will simply not be enough for the event industries, including football

"Please take one first" doesn't work now that the attitude of "I've had my vaccine i can do what I want" has been stupidly entrenched by the government messaging over summer

 

[LinekersLegs]

The worry I have with very widespread boosters, vs just the vulnerable, is it takes even more supply away from other countries that still desperately need their first shots. We really do have to make more headway on vaccinating the world, some of the vaccination rates in poorer countries are heartbreaking.

 

[maccavennie]

Id fill the car up as well mate! lol

maccas winter list includes

Get turkey 2 months in advance and freeze
4 pallets of toilet roll
Purchase a petrol station
Receive as many booster jabs as possible
Keep taking Vitamin D
Boo more

 

[Neiler]

Yes, in truth I can understand both the reasons for doing it and how it was received, just think focusing on that short term it is going to bite us a bit now trust wise.

Given our lack of overall knowledge of this virus and how it isn’t unheard of to need boosters (flu, tetanus etc) it wasn’t to be unexpected so ideally the possibility would have been built in from the start.

However I’m sure I’ve made the same mistake myself so this is more a “how do we best pivot to that framing now”

I think that is it mate, its led to short term planning and a mentality. I can see al ot and the majority of the countries getting caught this winter with a bad wave. Think most of the personal precautions in place before the vaccines have been abandoned and the infrastructure like passports and antigen testing and systems hasn't been put in places over the summer to manage the winter, while distancing in sectors, quarantining and mask wearing is all lax..

We're not great over here and id be critical, but i was over in Manchester & Birmingham for a work thing a month ago and it scared the life out me.

What we likely see now is a mixed response - like what i posted on Covid Flux the other day, people will be devil may care and confront and others will be anxious and regressive - classic flight and fight. We really are gas us humans. Its unlikely we will ever see the surge unity around this we once did, remember clapping health care professionals!

 

[Tin-Tin]

Just reading an article about our own player Godfrey, whose heart swollen with Covid. A very fit and healthy young athlete.

 

[JLW]

I’m stuck in quarantine hence why I’ve been so active in here and I only have 2 English speaking channels in my hotel CNN and BBC world news!

HELP

 

[gonetomorrow]

maccas winter list includes

Get turkey 2 months in advance and freeze
4 pallets of toilet roll
Purchase a petrol station
Receive as many booster jabs as possible
Keep taking Vitamin D
Boo more

I don't like turkey so I'm getting an extra pallet of Cushelles.

Fair's fair.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Just fyi for those of you trying to book a booster or teenager dose.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Bit more encouraging on the speed of booster rollout.

 

[grandjoeblue]

I don't have a problem at all with masks coming back in but I have seen a few fire break lockdown suggestions which are laughable. A fire break lockdown has never been effective in this country. Lockdowns have to be lengthy to work - probably 10 weeks or longer.