Not my post but my god
I keep saying this but, you know, it's almost like the world needs a way of getting the numbers of thick people down
Not my post but my god
People are talking about the long term financial and social repercussions of this pandemic. But that’s a mental health time bomb in waiting when this is all done with for those in front line positions.The reality is, as of next week, hospitalised older people are gonna be taken off ventilators and left to die so that younger, fitter people have more of a chance of surviving.

Did they self isolate? How many people did they infect. How many of those are going to die?.
I will get a letter tomorrow telling me that I must stay indoors for 12 weeks and the Police will be given authority to arrest me if I venture out.
Flaxseed mate, really good sourceI'm still on the tubs I bought tbf. I'll get off them then after I've finished and see the difference (if there is any).
Fish Oil/Omega 3 I take as I don't like fish so it's the best source for me to get it from.
Glad you are better, its become apparent the testing situation is an utter jokeHad the same myself the last week or so minus the aches and pains, considering I never get sick I wonder if it was a mild case of the corona. Shame testings not more readily available so you can know for sure
Measures to help save jobs took longer, with a plan for the government to pay a high percentage of wages in cashstrapped firms finally being announced on Friday afternoon. Sunak agreed the package in a meeting with Johnson on Thursday night in which the pair shared a vegetarian takeaway pizza. The prime minister said: "In 2008, the government looked after the bankers. Now we must make sure we look after the people first."
At 11.30pm the chancellor was sending messages to his permanent secretary thanking him for the "superb" work of some officials. A colleague said: "He's got the brainpower. More importantly, he's got the character for this moment."
Sunak will need it because the risks are immense. One friend said: "Rishi is very acutely aware that we are in danger of driving the economy off a cliff by shutting everything up. All this talk of bouncing straight back … we will have no airlines bounce straight back with if we're not careful."
The prime minister's big decision on Wednesday was that schools would close on Friday, a decision arrived at with Gavin Williamson, the education secretary. They decided to act as many schools took matters into their own hands, to try to ensure childcare for key workers.
It was another decision Johnson had resisted the week before, but cabinet ministers are clear that behind the scenes he has been far more decisive at crunch moments than his predecessor. "He's been absolutely brilliant," said one. "He makes decisions fast." Another said: "If Theresa May was still be in charge we would, by now, have just about signed off a request that people wash their hands." Another cabinet source added: "And if Philip Hammond was still chancellor he would have refused even to pay for that."
Nonetheless, even admirers admit that Johnson is not finding it easy to project the same decisiveness in his somewhat hesitant public appearances. "He's a naturally cheerful person," one colleague said. "He finds it difficult to deliver bad news." Business leaders were surprised during a conference call on Monday, when he was trying to persuade them to build ventilators, to hear him describe the effort as "Operation Last Gasp".
Whitty and Vallance began their own press conferences at the end of the week amid concern that some of Johnson's pronouncements — including a claim that they could "turn the tide" within 12 weeks — were not grounded in evidence. "Some of the experts are appalled by some of his claims," a Whitehall source said. A Tory aide said: "Boris looks haunted. It's like when George W Bush came in thinking he was going to be the education-reforming president and had to deal with the war on terror." Another senior Tory said: "Boris is shellshocked."
LOCKDOWN
Johnson, who is a civil libertarian at heart, spent the week resisting Cummings's demands for a full-blown lockdown of London — banning inhabitants from travelling outside the city.
Discussions about a shutdown were first aired at Cobra on Friday the 13th. By Tuesday the news was leaking after a Cabinet Office official emailed other departments to ask how a curfew might work. A Whitehall insider said: "It was quickly established that the Paris model — with people being issued paperwork and allowed out of the family home one at a time would not work."
A senior Tory said: "Boris really doesn't want to shut stuff down. He is more worried than most about the economic impact but also the social impact of locking people up in their homes for months. Fundamentally there is a Boris-Dom cleavage. First Boris bottled herd immunity. Now he's bottling lockdown."
Nonetheless, Johnson managed to fuel speculation that there would be troops on the streets and a travel ban by telling Wednesday's press conference that the government "will not hesitate" to take further steps. "We live in a land of liberty," he said. "But we will rule nothing out."
On Thursday the PM's spokesman was forced to say there were "no plans" to close down London transport and "zero prospect" of restrictions on travel. On Friday less draconian restrictions, closing pubs, clubs and restaurants nationwide, were unveiled. "Whoever was briefing details of the full lockdown is bordering on a national security threat," said one Tory with links at the top of Whitehall. "They are promulgating misinformation and spreading alarm." Another source said the loose talk could have seen wealthy "superspreaders" flee London to infect people elsewhere: "If you're going to do a lockdown you don't tell people first or you find they are all on the roof getting the last helicopter out of Saigon."
Nonetheless, Whitehall officials are quietly drawing up lists of key workers who would be issued with a travel permit if a full crackdown follows. Officials have also been working on a "lockdown list" of products that must be manufactured by law. They may yet be necessary. A minister said: "We won't know for two weeks if the current measures are enough."
COMMUNICATION PROBLEMS
On Thursday, after criticism from ministo ters and MPs that No 10 had failed to provide clear messages to the public, Cummings and the communications director, Lee Cain, summoned the team who won the general election.
Isaac Levido, the Tory campaign director, went to No 10, with former Vote Leave hands Paul Stephenson and Henry de Zoete on a video conference call. Together they devised a slogan "Stay home. Save lives. Protect our NHS," which was rolled out on Friday.
The No 10 morning meeting is now held on the Zoom video app to allow more home working. To try to raise morale, Johnson has also sent video messages thanking civil servants for their hard work. On Tuesday he returned from a morning run with his dog Dilyn to find his spokesman, James Slack, at the back of No 10 wishing his mother a happy birthday. Johnson took the phone and spoke to her for 10 minutes.
However, many sources report that the Downing Street machine is fast running out of steam. "Everyone is working to capacity and is absolutely exhausted," said one insider. "It's utter chaos and there is no end in sight."
Businesses phoning up to offer help say Downing Street seems "swamped". One ventilator manufacturer claimed on Newsnight that the government had not put in any orders — though sources say 1,400 firms are offering to build them and by Friday morning eight companies who have never made a ventilator were turning them out.
Some in Downing Street are turning to drink. An aide joked on Thursday that they had run out of hand sanitiser and were "using the contents of a vodka miniature" instead. Others are recruiting old friends. Gabriel Milland, a former head of press to Michael Gove, was drafted into No 10 last week. Tom Shinner, the civil servant who did the most to prepare Britain for a no-deal Brexit, who left the government last year, has also been rehired.
The toll is telling on ministers and tensions between them have bubbled over. "It's miserable and horrible and you just have to get on with it," a cabinet minister said.
The "core four" in all the key meetings are the chairmen of four inter-ministerial committees: Dominic Raab, the foreign secretary, who chairs the international committee; Sunak, who chairs the economic committee; Hancock, who chairs the health committee; and Gove, who chairs the other public sector committee.
Numerous sources say Gove has repeatedly sniped at Hancock. "There have been tensions over where responsibilities begin and end," one observed. Some ministers are lobbying to see Gove take charge if Johnson is incapacitated with Covid-19 or if he takes paternity leave, though Sunak ranks higher in the cabinet rankings on the gov.uk website and the job is likely to be Raab's, since he is officially "first secretary of state".
But a minister said: "Considering the scale of the massive decisions we have been making it has been remarkably collegiate."
Ministers hope the dramatic events of the last week will reduce the likely death toll from Covid-19 to "a bad seasonal flu", which means tens, not hundreds, of thousands of deaths. The worst recent year was 2014-15 when 28,000 people died.
But there are perils ahead. "Boris and his team are absolutely terrified because it will not be the NHS by end of this," a Whitehall source said. "It will be the corona health service and will just be there to pump oxygen into patients."
MPs speculate that there will be two big inquiries — an international one into the origins of the virus in China's live animal "wet markets"; and a second into the government's preparations and policy decisions. "If we end up like Italy in two weeks' time and 30-year-old doctors are dropping dead, the government is going to be in big trouble," a Labour MP said.
Amid the frenzy of events, more thoughtful Tories have concluded that the decisions taken last week will change three key aspects of the way the world works. One said: "One is the debate around globalisation. Is Trump right that we just need to build bigger walls, or is Gordon Brown right that global problems need global solutions? The second is Socialism v The Free Market. Large parts of the economy are going to be socialised after this. I fear it leads to nationalists and socialists winning, to national socialism."
The third fissure may yet be the worst.
"It's the intergenerational question. It is unsustainable to have people in their youth put their whole life on hold for months while the economy tanks to save a 91-year-old who would have died six months later anyway."
Whatever the outcome, ministers have little doubt about the significance of the virus. "It's shaking the world," one said. Another, who has been up to his neck in the dramas of the past three years, was more prosaic: "My obituary gets more interesting every week."
The sadness is that there will be many other obituaries to be written too.
The PM was told: Now is the moment to act.
Vitamin D is given by sunlight. With people indoors and reluctant to see doctors, there's no harm in taking up to 100 micrograms to make sure. Any more than that can lead to toxicity.
Zinc is also proven to be effective in reducing duration/severity of the common cold.

That may well be the case but please don't pretend you aren't doing the same every chance you get.its not even his nonsense, but he should be applauded for recycling in these troubled times
This is my last vitamin post as it is off topic
Vitamin D - your situation is a potential deficiency. Still don’t think it is needed for this limited period. As people are going to be financial strapped rather not spend it on vitamins
Zinc. - true, but that is not preventative daily pills, but treatment so a short time period. And it only lessens symptoms by a day... for a cold. Man up Tubs![]()
yes it is, the governments policy and actions towards this are absolutely on the table for discussion, get off your high horseThat may well be the case but please don't pretend you aren't doing the same every chance you get.
This thing is so serious it transcends politics.
There's a scummy tories thread for everyone who wants to vent their anger at Johnson, Cummings et al. This thread should be used for posting information and being supportive for those who are being affected by this. Or is that too much to ask?
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