Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I do 2x tests a week so very unlikely I'll be out spreading anything!

Just the Gonorrhea then...

 

[mill]

Absolutely - check the hospitalisation rate compared to mortality rate.

The split in wave two was more weighted to the elderly but now is more weighted to the young, yet hospitalisations remain exponential yet no longer in line with mortality. Which means those who are less ill are still being hospitalised.

Or we are better at treating it…

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Just them other 5 days a week to worry about hey .

look I’ve made my position of masks quite clear but your post didn’t read great to be fair .

Cant live your life wearing masks forever mate - if everyone tested themselves weekly I would imagine infection rates would drop with or without masks I've said for a while nightclubs and stadiums should be asking for negative tests before entry.

I would happily continue to wear one if everyone else did but if im the only bloke on a packed train wearing one its a waste of time!

 

[BlueToff]

Deaths are rising


And just because hospitalizations aren’t at the previous peaks doesn’t mean they aren’t concerning, especially given other demands on NHS resources.


You can still think the opening needs to go ahead in some form on July 19th but it should be done whilst admitting the current situation.

Deaths aren't rising anywhere nearly as sharply enough that should stop the reopening - imo Legs.

Ultimately there's a number that will be acceptable, as grim as it sounds, to any government for the trade off after 18 months, and most of the population see it that way too.

We absolutely have to keep a close eye on it all though, I know, I don't want to come across as being all for everything being back to how it was just yet. And I'm gonna keep wearing my mask in public places for the time being too.

 

[BlueToff]

Again though, misleading. Those hospitalised include those who wouldn't have been hospitalised in earlier waves, they just have capacity to be very cautious now.

Those being hospitalised are coming out again now more or less constantly. The only people dying are the idiots who refused a vaccine, or the very elderly/sick who would have succumbed to pneumonia under the same circumstances.

Precisely, though there will be exceptions. For example, the lad I know of who ended up in hospital for a few days because of pneumonia (developed from COVID) would never have been admitted in during a previous peak, not a chance. 26, no underlying conditions etc. He was in for 3 nights so not saying it wasn't serious, but I very much doubt it was anything but preacautinary.

We should absolutely keep an eye on it all though and there's still elements of the reopening which seem a bit too soon (the mask thing really).

That being said, you see the scenes from London anyway and think what's the point, tbh

 

[BlueToff]

Cant live your life wearing masks forever mate - if everyone tested themselves weekly I would imagine infection rates would drop with or without masks I've said for a while nightclubs and stadiums should be asking for negative tests before entry.

I would happily continue to wear one if everyone else did but if im the only bloke on a packed train wearing one its a waste of time!

Well that only works if the consequence for a positive test isn't 10-day isolation.

Keep saying it but the isolation period needs to be cut down to something reasonable. It's too much for people. It's effing grim, tbh.

 

[Tubey]

Precisely, though there will be exceptions. For example, the lad I know of who ended up in hospital for a few days because of pneumonia (developed from COVID) would never have been admitted in during a previous peak, not a chance. 26, no underlying conditions etc. He was in for 3 nights so not saying it wasn't serious, but I very much doubt it was anything but preacautinary.

We should absolutely keep an eye on it all though and there's still elements of the reopening which seem a bit too soon (the mask thing really).

That being said, you see the scenes from London anyway and think what's the point, tbh

All along you had the 1 in a million healthy 21 year old or whatever succumbing to this, but obviously you don't lock down an entire economy on those figures.

Some don't like to admit it or think about it, but it's just a fact that a certain level of death/risk is going to be tolerated for the greater good with this.

 

[Harryflashman]

Cant live your life wearing masks forever mate - if everyone tested themselves weekly I would imagine infection rates would drop with or without masks I've said for a while nightclubs and stadiums should be asking for negative tests before entry.

I would happily continue to wear one if everyone else did but if im the only bloke on a packed train wearing one its a waste of time!

I agree on your points I just meant your original post was probably poorly worded .

Ive been to Wembley with covid testing app’s and for a host of reasons it proved pretty chaotic . I’ve no major issue with that going forward but with big crowds it’s going to need work especially given the tendency for blues to turn up at 2.58

 

[TommyDavo]

Can you show the evidence that significantly more slightly ill people are being admitted to hospital ?

The commentary in the media is that a lot of young people are being admitted to critical care. The NHS don't tend to admit patients to critical care wards on a whim.

As of a couple of days ago 8 patients in the Royal in Liverpool in ITU due to Covid. Not sure of age group.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I agree on your points I just meant your original post was probably poorly worded .

Ive been to Wembley with covid testing app’s and for a host of reasons it proved pretty chaotic . I’ve no major issue with that going forward but with big crowds it’s going to need work especially given the tendency for blues to turn up at 2.58

Problem is mate there are too many idiots in society to have any hope of people taking responsible actions.

Be like the Wild West next weekend.

 

[Tramps_mate]

He says that isn't misleading... but it's misleading. Of course deaths will rise; but the point being made is they won't rise to the extent of previous waves - indeed nowhere near. Plotting an 'exponential' rise from 5 deaths to 10 or 20 to 30 is all but pointless.

Agree. Its a scaremongering table, just like he says it isnt. Of course deaths are going to rise with cases reaching 35k a day..

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Well that only works if the consequence for a positive test isn't 10-day isolation.

Keep saying it but the isolation period needs to be cut down to something reasonable. It's too much for people. It's effing grim, tbh.

I think most of us who are of working age and live in an urban area will have to accept that at some stage in our lives we'll be catching this thing you just have to hope the Vaccines do their job which they largely appear to be doing.

 

[grandjoeblue]

As of a couple of days ago 8 patients in the Royal in Liverpool in ITU due to Covid. Not sure of age group.

8 is quite a few. The royal only has about 30-40 ICU beds in total.

 

[BlueToff]

I guess its cos everything will be open. And can you imagine a nightclub insisting on masks? Or folk complying?

I think the message is ok, but I just dont trust the wider public to go with it. Personally, I will still SD in the supermarket, and wear a mask; its no big deal. So if I think the shop is too busy for me, I will just go back later. But, I am in a different situation to many many millions of folk who crave normality, so wont be lobbing brick bats at them.

I suppose the 'easy' solution would be masks mandatory in shops, transport etc.

But then, yeah, you'll get people going well hang on, how come I can go in to a club and not wear one?

It'll probably be irrelevant soon enough once they bring in the COVID pass, and it is going to happen. Hospitlality industry leaders already gearing up for it.

 

[BlueToff]

I think most of us who are of working age and live in an urban area will have to accept that at some stage in our lives we'll be catching this thing you just have to hope the Vaccines do their job which they largely appear to be doing.

It'll be done on that COVID pass.

Vaccinated - you're sound, you can do stuff. If not, have to have the evidence of the negative test in the 48 hours before. It creates a two-tier society but is what it is.

Once that is in place though, can't have people isolating for 10 days.

It should be a period of fewer days, but with regular PCR testing. i.e. return two negative PCRs in a row and you can leave.

Issue there is, track and trace are telling people who have had COVID to avoid PCRing if possible for up to three months, as that's how much the PCR can detect in your system - my housemate got this explained to him the other day.