Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Tubey]

Can you show the evidence that significantly more slightly ill people are being admitted to hospital ?

The commentary in the media is that a lot of young people are being admitted to critical care. The NHS don't tend to admit patients to critical care wards on a whim.

Absolutely - check the hospitalisation rate compared to mortality rate.

The split in wave two was more weighted to the elderly but now is more weighted to the young, yet hospitalisations remain exponential yet no longer in line with mortality. Which means those who are less ill are still being hospitalised.

 

[Tubey]

So we're currently sacrificing genuinely ill people requiring urgent medical attention for young people with sniffles?

Yes, basically. The entire health system has been geared to handling COVID and still is; all that has changed is capacity, which means younger people aren't being turned away so readily anymore.

So your synopsis there is broadly correct. This is COVID Britain. And to be completely honest, it's very understandable as it will take time to transition away from this model and, politically, it'd be suicide for the NHS to "stand down" from their war footing at this point.

 

[Tubey]

My missus ( hospital nurse ) would back this up.

The younger admissions aren’t staying in for long. The ones who are, have either not been vaccinated or have underlying health conditions - obesity still being a big one.

Just common sense - Vallance has just said the same thing really.

 

[navidson]

Yes, basically. The entire health system has been geared to handling COVID and still is; all that has changed is capacity, which means younger people aren't being turned away so readily anymore.

So your synopsis there is broadly correct. This is COVID Britain. And to be completely honest, it's very understandable as it will take time to transition away from this model and, politically, it'd be suicide for the NHS to "stand down" from their war footing at this point.

Didn't we build a bunch of 'Nightingale' hospitals for this very reason?

Lash all of these poor little lambs in there and let the proper NHS deal with genuinely ill people

 

[COYBL25]

Just common sense - Vallance has just said the same thing really.

I`ve got two mates, who`ve both been double jabbed and still got caught the virus last week.

One has a very dodgy ticker and the other is very over weight.

Neither got seriously ill and both only got what they described, as a head cold.

The reality, is that the vaccine more than likely saved their lives.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Again though, misleading. Those hospitalised include those who wouldn't have been hospitalised in earlier waves, they just have capacity to be very cautious now.

Those being hospitalised are coming out again now more or less constantly. The only people dying are the idiots who refused a vaccine, or the very elderly/sick who would have succumbed to pneumonia under the same circumstances.

Think there are quite a few that still live but get put on ventilators for a while (previously older Covid patients didn’t get put on them at same rate as unlikely to survive anyway).


That is going to have more of a knock on effect on other non COVID surgeries

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I have lost the plot as well mate. I just feel a bit unnerved that a bloke that has proved to be a bit crap in other jobs is making these decisions after a few weeks into his latest one.

Cases, (yeah, I know) are rising across the country, locally to me, so far, hospitalisations and deaths are very low, so maybe thats the deal now.

Like someone posted earlier, good luck if you are at risk. So thats me still in our lock down till spring by my reckoning. Nice one.

First time I've watched Bill Ben and the flower pot man this year, it's hilarious watching them trying to define what personal responsibility means. Three knob heads...

 

[LinekersLegs]

I`ve got two mates, who`ve both been double jabbed and still got caught the virus last week.

One has a very dodgy ticker and the other is very over weight.

Neither got seriously ill and both only got what they described, as a head cold.

The reality, is that the vaccine more than likely saved their lives.

iirc you brother had refused the vaccine - any change in his views with the current wave?

 

[roydo]

First time I've watched Bill Ben and the flower pot man this year, it's hilarious watching them trying to define what personal responsibility means. Three knob heads...

Well I welcome the medical update stuff. And I dont need a politician to tell me what my personal responsibility is. Trouble is, this will not be shared I fear; witness last night in London.

 

[COYBL25]

iirc you brother had refused the vaccine - any change in his views with the current wave?

No, non at all, if anything his views have hardened.

 

[LinekersLegs]

You’d think this would encourage a rethink on scapping the most basic Covid restrictuons like mask use

Sajid Javid warns NHS waiting lists backlog could reach 13m

Health secretary reveals ‘shock’ at figure, saying situation will get worse before it gets better

www.theguardian.com

The new health secretary, Sajid Javid, has warned that NHS waiting lists could rocket to 13m in the coming months as concerns rise over the backlog faced by the health service. Speaking to the Sunday Telegraph, Javid said the growing number of people waiting for non-Covid treatment on the NHS had been what shocked him the most since returning to the cabinet following Matt Hancock’s resignation.

“What shocked me the most is when I was told that the waiting list is going to get a lot worse before it gets better,” he said. “It’s gone up from 3.5m to 5.3m as of today, and I said to the officials so what do you mean ‘a lot worse’, thinking maybe it goes from 5.3m to 6m, 7m. They said no, it’s going to go up by millions … it could go as high as 13m.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Well I welcome the medical update stuff. And I dont need a politician to tell me what my personal responsibility is. Trouble is, this will not be shared I fear; witness last night in London.

Don't worry lockdown is irreversible now they have been playing with the new Airfix you will bored death with it by weeks end.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

'We're lifting the restrictions but we're relying on people to use their common sense' good luck with that Boris.lol

 

[LinekersLegs]

Dutch PM apologises for easing of COVID-19 curbs as cases soar

AMSTERDAM: Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte conceded on Monday (Jul 12) that coronavirus restrictions had been lifted too soon in the Netherlands and he apologised as infections surged to their highest levels of the year.Rutte last Friday reimposed curbs on bars, restaurants and nightclubs in an...

t.co

AMSTERDAM: Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte conceded on Monday (Jul 12) that coronavirus restrictions had been lifted too soon in the Netherlands and he apologised as infections surged to their highest levels of the year.

Rutte last Friday reimposed curbs on bars, restaurants and nightclubs in an effort to stop a spate of infections among young adults, just two weeks after most lockdown measures in the country were lifted as cases were falling.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

'We're lifting the restrictions but we're relying on people to use their common sense' good luck with that Boris.lol

It was terrible political which Boris manouvred himself into.

Removing all restrictions and then telling people to go slow. It's so obvious that they want the blame for any increase in infection rates to be put on you and me, shameless cowardice.

If they really wanted people to go slow then they'd keep some of the restrictions.