Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Neiler]

I dont know what a mRNA vaccine is.

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Not sure if any issues have come up with Sputnik......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And I've said I would 100% do that, once I had more idea what the link was, who in particular was more at risk and why. I can show you a couple of posts from the last 2 days when I've said exactly that.

But the MHRA have just come out and said under 30s will not be given the AZ vaccine, and, to be honest, I'm not sure that any male under 30s have even been affected by these rare blood clots. If so, there could only have been a handful out of all the cases. The overwhelming majority have been women as we know.

Look. My fear is that the vaccination program has been undermined by this announcement. That's just my opinion and I may be completely wrong. If so, no harm done. But I'm sure there's plenty of people out there in there 30s and 40s who will be getting asked to take the AZ jab, that are now less confident about it than they were a few hours ago. That includes you Bruce. Is your attitude any different?, or have you already had a Pfizer jab through your missus.?

I did try and suck it out of her arm after watching a Steve Irwin video on YouTube but was unfortunately unsuccessful.

 

[Tin-Tin]

I dont know what a mRNA vaccine is.

To trigger an immune response, many vaccines put a weakened or inactivated germ into our bodies. Not mRNA vaccines. Instead, they teach our cells how to make a protein—or even just a piece of a protein—that triggers an immune response inside our bodies. That immune response, which produces antibodies, is what protects us from getting infected if the real virus enters our bodies.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Your putting a lot of emphasis on those women actually taking much interest. Plus under 30s who've had one jab are to get the 2nd.

Huge panic I reckon from a lot on here.

I'm not panicking. But I am worried.

I could be totally wrong and nobody gives an actual feck about it. Let's hope I am.

 

[roydo]

I think it's what Pfizer and Moderna use.

Havnt they had "issues" as well though?

My pea sized, non scientific brain reaches this logical, if flawed, conclusion.

Covid is new. All the labs are working off the same data. They all display similar results. So I guess they are all using similar proteins and stuff; the mixes might be different, but unless there is an ingredient unique to Oxford Uni that could cause the clots, I dont get why others wouldnt have similar outcomes.

 

[davek]

It will be now the Govt have made this decision about U30s. Before that, if I was a male aged 25 I'd be thinking nearly all these blood clot cases were women. I wouldn't be in the slightest worried. I think the govt have just done their very own Sandy Brown mate. I think they've panicked. They should have waited until they knew more about the link so they could make clear policy based on evidence.

The AZ vaccine represents around 60/70% of our current supply and, despite what has been happening across the world, confidence in it has remained high within the UK. The government has undermined that confidence today for no better reason than the other governments we have been criticising. The vaccine is perfectly safe for 99.99% of it's recipients. That's all the announcement we needed to make today. That, and listing severe blood clots as a very rare side effect. They didn't need to do anything else.

They won't be vaccinating the under 30s for another 2 months yet, by which stage they may have more evidence regarding the blood clotting link. But they've further undermined the AZ vaccine now and millions of 30-50 years old who are due to have it in the next 2 months could easily be thinking what if.

There's too many scientists agreeing with each other on the AZ vaccine for it to be something and nothing.

I agree with you though: that move to offer another vaccine to under 30s is pathetic in the sense that it will convince no one in their 30s (or even older groups) that they are safe using it. People will 'shop around' as much as they can to avoid it.

IMO the vaccine should be halted for everyone until the EXACT nature of the problem is uncovered and identifies EXACTLY which people it affects.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Havnt they had "issues" as well though?

My pea sized, non scientific brain reaches this logical, if flawed, conclusion.

Covid is new. All the labs are working off the same data. They all display similar results. So I guess they are all using similar proteins and stuff; the mixes might be different, but unless there is an ingredient unique to Oxford Uni that could cause the clots, I dont get why others wouldnt have similar outcomes.

Yes

 

[davek]

The blood clots are worrying but when you consider how many doses have been administered its a tiny fraction, not a major scandal. Every single drug from something as common as paracetemol has side effects and there will be people who have adverse reactions. There is no drug, whether prescription, herbal etc that has zero reactions in 100% of people who take it.

Its good that people are being offered an elternative should they choose but this isnt a massive deal in my opinion.

The alternative choice should be for everyone.

If they offered me one I'd defo take the alternative if they haven't identified who exactly is in danger from it.

 

[davek]

Davek,
Do you take any prescription medicines on a daily / regular basis? (genuine question)

No.

 

[Tin-Tin]

Havnt they had "issues" as well though?

My pea sized, non scientific brain reaches this logical, if flawed, conclusion.

Covid is new. All the labs are working off the same data. They all display similar results. So I guess they are all using similar proteins and stuff; the mixes might be different, but unless there is an ingredient unique to Oxford Uni that could cause the clots, I dont get why others wouldnt have similar outcomes.

I think AstraZeneca is a virus based vaccine, Moderna/Pfizer are mRNA

 

[Barnfred 55]

I did try and suck it out of her arm after watching a Steve Irwin video on YouTube but was unfortunately unsuccessful.

My sister works in the Royal in Liverpool. It's large medical institutions like hospitals that are able to store the Pfizer vaccines at -70. When they open each batch they have to use it within so many days apparently. They really only use it on staff mainly and open it up to staff relatives when there is a danger that the dose would be ruined. I imagined that this would be common place around most hospitals. Which was why I asked the question of you.

So assuming that you haven't had a Pfizer jab, the chances are that you will be invited to take the AZ jab. I may be wrong but I believed you to be in your early or mid thirties. Given that people not much younger than you are going to be given alternative vaccines on health grounds, how does that make you feel about taking the AZ one.?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

IMO the vaccine should be halted for everyone until the EXACT nature of the problem is uncovered and identifies EXACTLY which people it affects.

They have invested far too much political capital into OXFORD AZ vaccine to back track on it entirely.

The danger of playing politics with science is firmly coming home to roost, could not happen to more nefarious Government.

 

[davek]

Dr Sabine Straus, chair of the EMA’s Safety Committee, was asked at the briefing in Amsterdam to clarify if there was a “causal link” between the AstraZeneca vaccine and adverse events, given that an EMA press release had talked of a possible link.

“Sometimes our regulatory way of talking might be a little bit more complicated than it should be," Straus replied.

"What we have learned from the very detailed review of the cases is that there is a strong association with the AZ vaccine and the adverse events. And if we add something to [Section] 4.8, then that is a sign that we feel that there is a probable causal association between the occurrence of the events and the administration of the vaccine. That may be a language issue where we fail as regulators - ‘strongly associated’ is the word I would choose here."

 

[Tin-Tin]

The alternative choice should be for everyone.

If they offered me one I'd defo take the alternative if they haven't identified who exactly is in danger from it.

Point being, there will also be issues with the Moderna/Pfizer one. No drug has zero adverse reactions, even your average daily asprin etc. This is why if you look at the leaflets, side effects are listed as these will have occured in the trials. Then they are categorised by how common-rare they are.

The blood clot is classed as very rare which is fewer than 1 in 10,000 people. So when you actually think about the numbers of doses and the blood clots it pales in comparison to the 'very rare' number requirement.

 

[davek]

They have invested far too much political capital into OXFORD AZ vaccine to back track on it entirely.

The danger of playing politics with science is firmly coming home to roost, could not happen to more nefarious Government.

Spot on. All the breast beating over getting 30 million vaccinated was based on doing deals with a company inexperienced at producing vaccine and the UK government giving indemnity over legal actions against said company. And now they've landed us with this concoction that no one in their right minds will want if they can avoid it.

Still...let's all laff at the EU.