Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[BlueToff]

Less than we might have had if he'd gone with his original plan, and they'll be spread out over time more.

Totally agree. I think the plan we have now is a good one. I just wish we'd have had more preparations ready. I think that's fair.

The 'herd immunity' thing - it isn't incorrect. But without the prep it would have resulted in far too many deaths.

 

[Death]

How sad is capitalism that we can’t just stop for a while.

 

[LostLegend]

I'm just ranting, theres others worse off than me. In the very worst case, I get a full months money at the end of next week and just have to make that last.

I hope things work out for you.

While I am lucky as it looks as if, in the eventuality of our site having to close, I’ll still have a job, albeit on a reduced pay.
Which is miles better than the many agency staff we have on site, who won’t have such assurances. A fair few of them are justifiably worried

 

[Barnfred 55]

I don't think they're going out of their way to kill people.

Going by some of the posts in here that is what some people think.

 

[Shevin Keedy]

What are the supermarkets like in Liverpool now? I only need to get a couple of usual groceries but I do not know if I should bother. Has the stockpiling calmed down?

 

[Goat]

I'm all for that Goat and literally, bar going to an empty gym twice and then to the shop once, I haven't left the house this week other than to go on a walk/run, whereas I've said I've not come into contact with anyone.

I'm following the measures and everyone I know is too.

Just don't think this is the time to be making people feel guilty if they choose to leave the house. People need that for their own mental wellbeing as well.

This'd be different if we had some way to know we're infected but we simply don't other than a test, which you have to qualify for.

Mate ive just had to have a long discussion explaining why I dont think we should go out for a meal tomorrow for the missus birthday.

Fell on deaf ears, morons mate, I aint going.

But im very selfish, im a smoker, on blood pressure meds and hardly in my prime, I doubt it ends well if I get it, also had a pretty nasty chest infection for the last 3 months which defo wont help.

 

[tsubaki]

Totally agree. I think the plan we have now is a good one. I just wish we'd have had more preparations ready. I think that's fair.

The 'herd immunity' thing - it isn't incorrect. But without the prep it would have resulted in far too many deaths.

As a policy it was absolutely incorrect; there was no prep that could have put the NHS in a position to deal with that many people that quickly. They'd have probably ended up with a number of people around the population of Liverpool needing to be in hospital on ventilators at the same time, and a very large number of them would have died.

 

[Paris]

How sad is capitalism that we can’t just stop for a while.

Hey, if you want to lock yourself down, and stop killing people you cruel sod, then be my guest.

 

[tsubaki]

Mate ive just had to have a long discussion explaining why I dont think we should go out for a meal tomorrow for the missus birthday.

Fell on deaf ears, morons mate, I aint going.

But im very selfish, im a smoker, on blood pressure meds and hardly in my prime, I doubt it ends well if I get it, also had a pretty nasty chest infection for the last 3 months which defo wont help.

If it helps Goat I don't smoke, am not on any meds, go for walking holidays every year and this is by a long way the worst I've felt in ages - even breaking an arm was less bad than this. I am only three days in with the symptoms as well. People who risk getting this in order to socialise are daft.

 

[Death]

Don’t visit your parents, don’t socialise, don’t go out unless very necessary. Forget about any events.

But go out and make that money in your millions. You ants!

 

[COYBL25]

That's absolutely fine and as I can only speak from experience of where I am, it's nearly happening anyway. A local cafe is shutting today, following suit from another two which went earlier this week. I just hope they can come back after all of this.

The pubs are mainly empty, bar the old boy regulars it seems.

And yes, on that second point about keeping people inside, it just won't happen in this country. So people having a go at others (I'm mainly talking about social media here) for doing things like turn up for work in a pub which hasn't shut, or simply going outside for fresh air or even going to the gym (many of which, if they are still open, are taking measures like shutting steams/saunas down and turning certain machinery off to increase space between members) is a bit out of order at this stage.

It is basically house arrest when there's nothing to do. As I've said my main issue with all of this is how - maybe it wasn't avoidable altogether - but it seemed we could have taken measures which were more geared to protecting the vulnerable rather than crash the economy and lock people away.

I’ve just been for my morning run and there’s as many people out walking and with their dogs as you normally see at the weekend.

Everyone keeping a respectful,
but polite distance from each other.

Loads of fellas on the golf course playing golf and doing the same.

It seems to me that the message is getting through to at least some of the people.

The supermarkets are a different matter altogether though.

 

[LostLegend]

So my sister´s school has 102 kids altogether. 37 will still be attending school from next week.

Absolutely ridiculous. What is the point in closing when you´re going to have those kind of numbers still coming everyday? You might as well keep all the other kids in there too.

There’s a big issue with the guidelines on essential workers.

I mentioned earlier in the thread that at the moment I am classed as an essential worker as I work in food production.

But we only make snacks (biscuits/cakes that sort of thing) which in my opinion makes it a little bit ludicrous to class us as ‘essential’

There’s probably similar issues across the board.

 

[Joey66]

Im sure this is a joke Joey, but they have proven that it was 100% a natural occurrence.

I mean if you consider shagging bats natural that is.

trust you to fetch shagging into it....

 

[Neiler]

Oh I'm not advocating it as a way to do it mate. I need to make that clear. I think it's far too risky. There'd be about 400,000 deaths.

I'm just stating the fact that, so far, the only way to know that you're 'safe' from this illness is if you get it and recover.

So my point really was, where does that leave us?

In my mind, the only way a 'herd immunity' plan would have worked would have been if we'd have had a load of beds available and ventilators and stuff. Cancelled all large gatherings for a set time (continuously reviewed etc). So there could then be a more calculated approach to it. You could mitigate for a certain amount of people getting it, and then know you had the systems in place to handle those who needed the care.

The worrying thing was it was the plan this time last week, but they hadn't done enough of the prep work which would have needed to go into it. That's why they've had to change their approach so much.

Absolutely mate, for a time it seemed like the main strategy worryingly, but thankfully the UK seem to have changed tack over a week. But the cost of the precious time lost may be felt. Hopefully not.

To me its fight or flight, you either confront the virus - fight, or you self distance as much as practically possible - flight. Both are valid ways of coping under normal adverse circumstances. I dont think we can fight this until their is vaccine, or at least better treatment. So its about that period in between. It lives normal life in ribbons, but it just might be the best we can do as a form of life never mind nationalistic stuff. To me it boils down to morality and humanity, a test of society of what it values, either self distance to protect, ourselves, ill people and older people or crack under the pressure of self isolation. Its a huge test.

Personally i think we are just at the beginning of a four week surge, in that time we will all be faced with a personal responsibility to flatten the curve, this isnt going away in my opinion and its not inconceivable that his lasts into the winter months to the new year, there may be periods of respite in between.

I dont think the purposeful herd immunity would have worked myself, the cost was to much, that is not to say countries wont get there naturally but it will be absolute delayed carnage and hopefully a vaccine comes out before we hit those levels.

Luckily for the UK and Ireland though, we are both islands, both have individual challenges but if we can get on top of this, a decision can be made to shut borders and isolate the country, which might protect against as second wave - its probably harder in Irelands case, given we are still part of the EU.

 

[Harryflashman]

There’s a big issue with the guidelines on essential workers.

I mentioned earlier in the thread that at the moment I am classed as an essential worker as I work in food production.

But we only make snacks (biscuits/cakes that sort of thing) which in my opinion makes it a little bit ludicrous to class us as ‘essential’

There’s probably similar issues across the board.

Probably relatively tough to start differentiating and drilling down into who does what given the timescale. I’d think it’s just easier to do it like this and save redrawing the boundaries