Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Deleted member 48881]

Netflix to slow Europe transmissions to avoid broadband overload

Streaming service reducing bit rate for 30 days, freeing up bandwidth for home-workers

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Of course not but it’s also significantly easier to bang that message out when reinforced with a positive test and it’s also easier to track back potential infection by testing back . Other countries seem to have been successful with large scale testing we’ve chosen a different , or initially chose , route where apparently we test those hospitalised but given we’re talking about people hospitalised it seems odd that there is a debate about testing .

Aye, I don't know tbh. I didn't listen to any government comms yesterday so have no idea if anything was said, but it does seem odd.

 

[Amw79]

Not being conspiratorial here I hope, but it is perhaps unique (in terms of other pandemics) how often this disease has gone straight to the top of government / politics / society in multiple countries now. It must be a lot more widespread than is acknowledged.

yeah, don’t think we need to go conspiratorial, think it’s a function of a) being quite widespread already, b) social media being able to report the high profile cases so widely.

 

[Brennan]

When I told my misses about the story, that was her first thought too tbh. Not the driving, but the inherent unsafeness of working that long. Not only would that lady's decision making be massively undermined, but her immune system as well, so she'd be highly likely to catch something, whether coronavirus or one of the multitude of other bugs going around hospitals. Her exact words were along the lines that it's not heroic, but stupid. Obviously the circumstances around this situation are unknown, but nurses and doctors doing 48 hour shifts is not something we should be aiming for.

I’m sure it’s not your intention but this post comes off as blaming the nurse, rather than the inherent failures of the system.

‘Stupid not heroic’ in particular.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I’m sure it’s not your intention but this post comes off as blaming the nurse, rather than the inherent failures of the system.

‘Stupid not heroic’ in particular.

I'm not sure she had much choice in her shift length so it's not blaming her at all, but a shift of that length would have highly compromised her decision making and her immune system. Do we really want to be putting such important staff into the position whereby they're not only more likely to make poor calls, but also to pick up a range of infections that will put them out of action for long periods? Just seems crazy.

People seem to pick up on the fact that this lady was suffering by not being able to buy groceries and yet completely overlooking the way she was abused by working such a crazy shift. Working 48 hours is stupid, not heroic. Again, paraphrasing the wife, who has done a few shifts like that herself, and has spoken to doctors who have done likewise, and by the end you're simply terrified of making mistakes because you're so tired. It's ridiculous.

 

[tsubaki]

I’m sure it’s not your intention but this post comes off as blaming the nurse, rather than the inherent failures of the system.

‘Stupid not heroic’ in particular.

People do need to realise that driving home after that sort of shift is daft, though. Even at the best of times you have people doing multiple twelve hour (or worse) nights on the spin and driving / riding their motorbikes miles home afterwards.

In terms of deaths to emergency service workers in the U.K. in the past 20 years, road traffic collisions going from/to work is probably the biggest killer of all, but it’s rarely if ever recognised and doesn’t stop the organisations themselves coming up with crazy shift patterns every now and then.

 

[aazak]

 

[Nymzee]

Ahh but perspective.

It's in some cases just negatively affecting people when their immune system is already shot.

That's what I'm trying to say. Anything could have the same effect and it's not killing anyone south of elderly through its effects alone.

Perhaps anyway, who knows, I certainly can't say for sure.

All I'm saying is what if the death count is skewered to inflate it the numbers which is putting negative news stories out there. There's still plenty of cases famously with celebrities who aren't getting the symptoms including Tom hanks himself.

Potentially anyone can die from the virus in hospital , even if the reason why they are there it vunreble to any virus in general has nothing to do with it.

I'm pretty sure people in hospital with underlying health issues that are then dying aren't just instantly being classed as COVID-19 victims mate... pretty sure they check to see if they actually had it.

 

[Prevenger17]

@Prevenger17

Actually do have an example of what I mean.

Years ago a friend of the in-law family went into hospital with failing health and whilst recovering in hospital he died with swine flu.

Except he wasn't in hospital for anything to do with swine flu , no symptoms of it , was his own health that was failing him to begin with. He caught swine flu it seems whilst in hospital and that is why it was put down as cause of death.

And swine flu was just as much a real thing , it just only appeared at the last minute before he passed.

It's not really relevant to the bigger picture here. I'm sure there are some cases mislabelled (the virus is known to be catastrophic for people with pre existing issues so I imagine ascertaining cause and effect can be difficult during diagnosis), but that's all part of it. It's spreading easily and is like a freight train through already creaking health systems. The reason we're being told to self isolate is because it's unquestionably the most manageable option than the alternatives. The health service is overloaded with cases, many of whom were already sick, but this has the potential to push it to breaking point

 

[Brennan]

People do need to realise that driving home after that sort of shift is daft, though. Even at the best of times you have people doing multiple twelve hour (or worse) nights on the spin and driving / riding their motorbikes miles home afterwards.

In terms of deaths to emergency service workers in the U.K. in the past 20 years, road traffic collisions going from/to work is probably the biggest killer of all, but it’s rarely if ever recognised and doesn’t stop the organisations themselves coming up with crazy shift patterns every now and then.

Im not sure having a debate about the merits of driving home after long shifts is particularly important here, it’s a widespread issue across all industries not just nursing. As others have said, a 48 hour shift can be one that includes rest on site. None of us have the context.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It seems we're still operating under the misapprehension that this won't kill a lot of people?

 

[Brennan]

I don’t understand her point. Three weeks from now puts us in late June. If you look at the image she’s posted late June peak lines up with the lowest death rate and smoothest curve.

People with agendas all over the shop.

 

[aazak]

It seems we're still operating under the misapprehension that this won't kill a lot of people?

Public policy should be to do everything possible to keep the numbers to a minimum.

 

[Brisan123]

Knew you whoppers would come in handy one day

Seriously though I think in terms of worst case scenario preparation It might well prove useful For where we are know despite much gnashing of gums about scaremongering. I’d prefer my government, whoever they are , to be completely ready for the worst possible outcome. As was said to me many years ago “It’s better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it “

Better to be looking at it than for it

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Public policy should be to do everything possible to keep the numbers to a minimum.

I don't think they're going out of their way to kill people.